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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 8:31:13 GMT -6
America is awash with drugs, whether it be the nicotine in cigarettes, booze, and all of the so-called "recreational" drugs numbing the minds, hearts and sensibilities of our stressed-out population. The excerpts below come from an article discussing the incredible rise of mental disorders in our country. The situation is distressing to say the least. www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?page=1
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Post by galsal on Jul 15, 2011 9:31:04 GMT -6
Also, remember that not too many yrs. ago families took care of their own, and didn't depend on government assistance. The closing of many mental hospitals has put more of the mentally ill on the streets, and without assistance they could never make it on their own. There has always been a lot of mental illness, but these poor souls used to be "put away" in institutions and forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 11:34:28 GMT -6
Could we agree that some of these "disorders" are simply "sh!tty personalities?" I think the clinical term is personality disorder.
I mean...they've yet to come up with a bastard pill or a b!tch pill, right?
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Post by strivingangel91 on Jul 15, 2011 11:52:17 GMT -6
Could we agree that some of these "disorders" are simply "sh!tty personalities?" I think the clinical term is personality disorder.I mean...they've yet to come up with a bastard pill or a b!tch pill, right? Testy subject for me. They have taken "mental illness" the to extreme anymore. Some people are in dire need of treatment, and need to be monitored closely this I will not deny. However, so many people are diagnosed anymore with a mental illness for the slightest of things. "Oh well my child is acting out so I'm going to go to the doctor and see about medication." I see this so much anymore is sickens me. Some children indeed do need assistance in order to cope. However so many people think that if you pop a pill it's an instant fix. This is incredibly false. They are meant as a coping tool to help make what they have to deal with slightly easier, it does not fix the issue at hand. I have NOT seen an anti-depressant where in the warning labels it says not meant for the use of anyone under the age of 18. There are risks with taking them as an adult, and an even higher risk of side effects as a child. For example, when I was in the state the gave me ever disorder in the book so they could medicate me JUST so they didn't have to deal with me. The list goes some where along the lines of bipolar, depression, aggression, blah blah blah. You name it at one point in time they most likely diagnosed me with it. One medication they gave me I had a lovely side effect where I lost my eye sight for three days, another one made me so drugged up where I would pass out. Not a single one of these helped with the issues at hand. I have been out of the state for four years now, I have not taken an anti-depressant, and I am a completely different person than I was in the state at the age of 16. Our society is always looking for an easy fix. Nothing in life is easy, doesn't matter if it's a personal problem, grocery shopping, bills, or work. You have to find a way to deal with it and it's not always easy. Drugging yourself up isn't going to make any difference in the world. (Sorry for my little novel)
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Post by strivingangel91 on Jul 15, 2011 12:01:23 GMT -6
Also when it comes to the reason of "why" it is constantly rising instead of decreasing is for what my believe lies down to our society has a certain way they think people should "act". If they don't fall down into the exact guidelines they feel that they have to "fix" it. So when they have a family member, or child that acts out they get embarrassed or just don't know how to deal with it. So they take them into a psycatrist and within 10 minutes of meeting you the doctor will say you have this so you need to take this and this to treat it. I believe the rate isn't as high as they claim, and it isn't as bad as they claim. Some are properly diagnosed where as the others had a slight issue not worth the trip, they drug them, and then say fixed.
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Post by galsal on Jul 15, 2011 13:34:23 GMT -6
I also agree that too many people and some physicians look for a "quick fix" instead of taking the time to find the underlying issue. If you really want to read about the history of treatment for the mentally ill, I suggest the book Asylum Light by James Ward M.D. It is the history of Zeller hospital from it's beginning until it closed. This book is fascinating! When the hospital first opened, it was self supporting. The place was like a small city with their own farm, gardens and animals. The patients were all assigned a job according to what they could handle. The hospital ran very smooth until Big Brother (government) stepped in and said if the patients were working, they had to get paid. Of course Dr. Zeller could not pay them, so the patients all had to quit working. This drove most of them into a bad depression, as they felt very useful when working. Some of them even kept trying to do the work, but had to be stopped, and taken back to their room. Then, because the hospital was no longer self-supporting, they had to rely on government support, which led to the downfall of the place. I'm sure this was true of a lot of mental institutions. Dr. Zeller had proved that the patients were much better mentally if given some task to occupy them and make them feel that they were contributing. As usual, government steps in and ruins all this doctor's fine work.
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Post by Val on Jul 15, 2011 21:13:51 GMT -6
There are so many types of mental illness that come from stress! Anxiety & depression are 2 that come from stress....with today's economy no wonder why its on the rise. It's sad but when a husband loses his job and can't afford to pay the bills, the family loses their home and comforts depression sets in along with anxiety. This world is getting worse and worse so we can continue to see mental illness to rise. Everyone who has a job looks at it as its not going to happen to me, but with this economy we are all 1 paycheck away from being broke. All we can do is pray that things start changing for the better.
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Post by rugrats on Jul 19, 2011 3:45:16 GMT -6
Could we agree that some of these "disorders" are simply "sh!tty personalities?" I think the clinical term is personality disorder.I mean...they've yet to come up with a bastard pill or a b!tch pill, right? Testy subject for me. They have taken "mental illness" the to extreme anymore. Some people are in dire need of treatment, and need to be monitored closely this I will not deny. However, so many people are diagnosed anymore with a mental illness for the slightest of things. "Oh well my child is acting out so I'm going to go to the doctor and see about medication." I see this so much anymore is sickens me. Some children indeed do need assistance in order to cope. However so many people think that if you pop a pill it's an instant fix. This is incredibly false. They are meant as a coping tool to help make what they have to deal with slightly easier, it does not fix the issue at hand. I have NOT seen an anti-depressant where in the warning labels it says not meant for the use of anyone under the age of 18. There are risks with taking them as an adult, and an even higher risk of side effects as a child. For example, when I was in the state the gave me ever disorder in the book so they could medicate me JUST so they didn't have to deal with me. The list goes some where along the lines of bipolar, depression, aggression, blah blah blah. You name it at one point in time they most likely diagnosed me with it. One medication they gave me I had a lovely side effect where I lost my eye sight for three days, another one made me so drugged up where I would pass out. Not a single one of these helped with the issues at hand. I have been out of the state for four years now, I have not taken an anti-depressant, and I am a completely different person than I was in the state at the age of 16. Our society is always looking for an easy fix. Nothing in life is easy, doesn't matter if it's a personal problem, grocery shopping, bills, or work. You have to find a way to deal with it and it's not always easy. Drugging yourself up isn't going to make any difference in the world. (Sorry for my little novel) totally agree. back in the day if there was problem speaking on my parents part of it they dealt with it. no pills, no medication. just plain parent participation. if it were going on today the schools would be pushing for medication. not saying all, but alot of schools/teachers/administration and even parents think the answer to a problem is just medicate them. lets not look at all areas that may be causing the problem. lets push pills first and see if thats the answer. my kid talks back, slams doors, yells, throw things(ok now it sounds just like me as a kid:))))) but should i just call dr and say i dont want to deal with and put him on a pill to drug him up and zonk him out so he isnt bothering me? im not saying all parents are like that and most i know arent, but there are a few that i have heard suggest they need medication when they dont(just because mommy is popping pills on daily basis doesnt mean the kids need to be). and some parents push disability/mental issue to get that extra disability check. i knew of one who is making more than i am on having several kids as well as spouse on disability while i am busting myassto work for living and pay my bills and take care of my child rather than someone else doing it for me. with that said there are many that are in need of service and cant get it because of the many that do get the service and dont need it. there is always the few that take advantage of system and makes it worse on the ones who truely need the help/assistance. its a shame.
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Post by rugrats on Jul 19, 2011 3:48:46 GMT -6
I also agree that too many people and some physicians look for a "quick fix" instead of taking the time to find the underlying issue. If you really want to read about the history of treatment for the mentally ill, I suggest the book Asylum Light by James Ward M.D. It is the history of Zeller hospital from it's beginning until it closed. This book is fascinating! When the hospital first opened, it was self supporting. The place was like a small city with their own farm, gardens and animals. The patients were all assigned a job according to what they could handle. The hospital ran very smooth until Big Brother (government) stepped in and said if the patients were working, they had to get paid. Of course Dr. Zeller could not pay them, so the patients all had to quit working. This drove most of them into a bad depression, as they felt very useful when working. Some of them even kept trying to do the work, but had to be stopped, and taken back to their room. Then, because the hospital was no longer self-supporting, they had to rely on government support, which led to the downfall of the place. I'm sure this was true of a lot of mental institutions. Dr. Zeller had proved that the patients were much better mentally if given some task to occupy them and make them feel that they were contributing. As usual, government steps in and ruins all this doctor's fine work. definitley sounds like a good read. will be getting that one.
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Post by rugrats on Jul 19, 2011 3:53:51 GMT -6
all i know is doctors are pill pushers. they think a pill is quick fix. i tend to lean to vitamins to try to fix problem before pills. i guess i get that thinking from my gma. she is going to be 85 and no dr is going to push unwanted pills on her. she has her vitamins and boy does she:) i have to go to dr and i think they want to push pill and im just leary about it. the pill they suggested i googled for specific issue says it really isnt meant for that course of treatment and not approved but nurse said that its not true??? i would rather see if there is something over the counter or vitamin that is better fit. but yet again i dont want to have bigger issues either.
you want to trust your doctor but not always are they looking out for your best intrest. they are looking out for what is a quick fix. i do have a great doctor and she knows what she is talking about but im just not into prescription pills.
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Post by Blue Star on Jul 19, 2011 4:18:26 GMT -6
all i know is doctors are pill pushers. they think a pill is quick fix. i tend to lean to vitamins to try to fix problem before pills. i guess i get that thinking from my gma. she is going to be 85 and no dr is going to push unwanted pills on her. she has her vitamins and boy does she:) i have to go to dr and i think they want to push pill and im just leary about it. the pill they suggested i googled for specific issue says it really isnt meant for that course of treatment and not approved but nurse said that its not true??? i would rather see if there is something over the counter or vitamin that is better fit. but yet again i dont want to have bigger issues either. you want to trust your doctor but not always are they looking out for your best intrest. they are looking out for what is a quick fix. i do have a great doctor and she knows what she is talking about but im just not into prescription pills. I agree about all the meds. I talk to my Dr. about everything I take, because some OTC's & vitamins CAN re-act with meds that ARE needed. She's great about that and takes the time. There are some I was taking, but we discussed how they re-act together, but for the most, they're OK. I trust my Dr. too, she's great!
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Post by junecleaver on Jul 19, 2011 5:24:25 GMT -6
When I was a child, my parents had their own form of medication for our "ADHD"...It was called my dad's hand across our backsides!
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Post by junecleaver on Jul 19, 2011 5:35:38 GMT -6
I also agree that too many people and some physicians look for a "quick fix" instead of taking the time to find the underlying issue. If you really want to read about the history of treatment for the mentally ill, I suggest the book Asylum Light by James Ward M.D. It is the history of Zeller hospital from it's beginning until it closed. This book is fascinating! When the hospital first opened, it was self supporting. The place was like a small city with their own farm, gardens and animals. The patients were all assigned a job according to what they could handle. The hospital ran very smooth until Big Brother (government) stepped in and said if the patients were working, they had to get paid. Of course Dr. Zeller could not pay them, so the patients all had to quit working. This drove most of them into a bad depression, as they felt very useful when working. Some of them even kept trying to do the work, but had to be stopped, and taken back to their room. Then, because the hospital was no longer self-supporting, they had to rely on government support, which led to the downfall of the place. I'm sure this was true of a lot of mental institutions. Dr. Zeller had proved that the patients were much better mentally if given some task to occupy them and make them feel that they were contributing. As usual, government steps in and ruins all this doctor's fine work. Galsal, that sounds like a very interesting read. I'll have to get that one.
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Post by galsal on Jul 19, 2011 5:36:29 GMT -6
June, my parents form of medication was to keep us working. Living on a farm, there was always something needed doing, and we learned early on to never say we were bored!
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Post by ImRonBurgundy? on Jul 19, 2011 7:50:13 GMT -6
A lot of what causes depression and other mental illness can be changed by changing your diet. I truely believe there are many contributing factors to mental illness including stress, chemical imbalances in the brain and what we put in and on our bodies.
Unless you buy only organic and free range or grow your own you are putting tons of pesticides and chemicals into your body every day. Pillows are dipped in a neurotoxin that "helps protect your head" in case of a fire. Deoderant contains aluminum. And pretty much any quick fix or packaged meal you can buy is filled with stuff that was never meant to be consumed.
Obviously unless you are rich its pretty hard to get away from these things. But its something to think about. We try to be very aware of what we put in our bodies here. Not that we dont enjoy some DQ or fast food every now and then :-)
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