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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 30, 2015 6:40:29 GMT -6
I wonder how much enrollment is down at IVCC, with the recent shooting death by bow and arrow over there. It must've plummeted, with a violent death like that in the schools parking lot. If someone relieving themselves in an alley, and some fights put the majestic out of business, then that horrific death will surely shutter the college. And was it Saturday or Sunday that the woman was confronted by the masked gunman, pointing his weapon at her, in spring valley? Ottawa just got a parolee home after serving her time with her brother, for murdering her best friend over a pair of jeans, and then burning her like rubbish. Speaking of, Ottawa most recent incident of citizens burning an Ottawa businessman after killing him. The Roxy is doomed. Surely murder will affect the attendance drastically. Wait...summer classes were in session? The Roxys still open? Spring Valley isn't a ghost town? Hmmmm Gee helen, maybe the difference is how the different communities handle the situations, don't you think? Did those other places have officers witness the crimes and owners begging that action be taken against those they witnessed, and then the City still let the criminals just walk away without any consequences, with it going on for years and years to create a rough reputation that keeps many people away and hurts businesses creating such poor economic conditions and real estate values like Streator? You do know that I don't own any business or property in any of those other communities don't you? I may work in Ottawa some times, but I still get paid regardless of what you may think of anything there. I do make suggestions to the owner of what I think he should do there, but it is his business so he does as he wants. Why would I be concerned about what happens in other communities? Do you think that if kids die from heroin, get murdered or molested, etc. in other communities, that it would make it happening here seems any better? Since people pulling their pants down and beating each other in the middle of our streets is illegal here, having it happen other places will not make it acceptable to me. It also shouldn't make these illegal activities acceptable to anyone who wants our community to be able to have things like a movie theatre, in my opinion.
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Post by helencrump on Jun 30, 2015 7:27:33 GMT -6
No one said it was acceptable behavior. The reason people, including me, have mentioned the horrific crimes in surrounding areas, is because of your constant rant that some jerks peeing outside ruined your business. If a man getting impaled by an arrow, in the middle of IVCCs parking lot didn't keep everyone away, you have to suffer from a worse case of tunnel vision than we all thought, to continue to complain that peeing and some fights ruined your business.
Wake up, majestic Mitchell. You are doing nothing to improve Streator. You are only making things worse, by ignoring the positive things going on, and blowing up the minor. Things. Just as every surrounding community has problems, so does Streator. Dog has agreed with you on many issues. Instead of listening to him, and joining him, to build a stronger unit, you turned even him into someone who's wary of your actions and motives. Sheesh. Grow up already. Learn to play with others. And stop degrading our community every time you open your mouth.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 30, 2015 8:58:36 GMT -6
No one said it was acceptable behavior. The reason people, including me, have mentioned the horrific crimes in surrounding areas, is because of your constant rant that some jerks peeing outside ruined your business. If a man getting impaled by an arrow, in the middle of IVCCs parking lot didn't keep everyone away, you have to suffer from a worse case of tunnel vision than we all thought, to continue to complain that peeing and some fights ruined your business. Wake up, majestic Mitchell. You are doing nothing to improve Streator. You are only making things worse, by ignoring the positive things going on, and blowing up the minor. Things. Just as every surrounding community has problems, so does Streator. Dog has agreed with you on many issues. Instead of listening to him, and joining him, to build a stronger unit, you turned even him into someone who's wary of your actions and motives. Sheesh. Grow up already. Learn to play with others. And stop degrading our community every time you open your mouth. Gee helen, did they let that person who shot the arrow just walk away, or not? Maybe knowing that someone will face consequences for the crime and not be allowed to walk away to do it again and again makes a difference to whether or not people will feel safe there in the future, don't you think? Who determines how minor the crimes are and which ones should be over looked to allow to just keep on happening in "increasing" numbers? They had no problem coming after my son for displaying some bicycles on the sidewalk. Do you really think that they think people pulling their pants down and beating each other in the middle of our streets is more minor than some bicycles being displayed for sale on a sidewalk? I'm not joining people or even interested in "playing" with people who feel that our laws should be allowed to be broken over and over again with no consequences. When our City leaders allow our laws to continue to be broken over and over again, they are the ones degrading our community. If talking about what they do is degrading our community then maybe they should start doing things differently, don't you think?
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Post by dog on Jun 30, 2015 9:00:20 GMT -6
What does "the majority of seats being empty" have to do with anything at all? Between the two screens there are close to 800 seats, do you really think that the problems on our streets with laws being broken should not be corrected until you are convinced that it is turning away 400 people for each showtime? Really??? You talk as if you know a lot about the situation, do you? How do you think a majority of seats being filled relates to the viability of theatres in general? Don't you think that most theatres that require a majority of the seats to be filled to be profitable should just be closed and that most successful theatres do have a profitability level with just a very low average percentage of the seats ever being filled? You do understand that theatres have a lot of fixed costs that go on regardless of how many people show up to a movie, right? Minimum wage to have some help opening it doesn't go down if only a couple of people show up, the mortgage payment and insurance premiums still need to be paid, you still have to heat and cool the room to be ready for them, etc. After enough people show up so that those fixed costs are covered, any others showing up start creating the revenues that generate much of the profit, the "gravy". Because people tend to go to the movies more on particular nights and when particular product is offered, being able to cover the fixed expenses with a very low average percentage of seats being filled, creates a lot of room for "gravy", do you follow? Any theatre that had fixed expenses that required a majority of the seats to be filled to be at a profitable level, generally would not have as much potential for being as profitable, don't you agree? So what difference do you think a "majority of seats being empty" or filled makes in this conversation? Did you see some of the published financial statements for the Majestic? It appears that Tim had some years where he had some profit and some years where he had some loss. Doesn't that indicate that he was very close to that profitable level and that maybe even just 5% more of that big gravy bowl filled could have made a big difference? Being on the cusp of being profitable with such a low percentage of the seats generally being filled, shows the great potential that our unique local movie palace had, don't you agree? Too bad that our City leaders didn't support having what Mr. Endres (and I agree) feel should have been a tourist destination, by just having our laws enforced in the area. [/quote] I never said that the majority of the seats need to be filled for a theater to be profitable or to cover fixed expenses. I said unless someone had a love for theater, a smart businessman wouldn't invest in the Majestic unless he was confident that he could fill a vast number of seats per each showing. The fights down the street would never turn away anywhere near 400 customers per showing. Other than you and Iron eagle, I cant recall anyone posting here that they saw anything bad happening in the years they have been going to the Majestic. I would agree with you that a theater that had to have a majority of the seats filled to be profitable. I am just saying that you worry about such a small percentage of business lost , when you still have so many seats empty that can be filled by other means. When your customers witnessed these things, did you offer them free passes or maybe 2 couple of drinks and popcorn to entice them to come back and try you again? Do you really think the Tim was that close to making it? They solicited donations for digital projectors. Obviously he didn't make enough to buy them on the profits, nor to properly maintain the building since you say that water is pouring into it from the roof. No, I don't agree that the Majestic had great potential as a tourist destination. Sure, it is unique, but hardly something that would draw people back , time and time again, based on the nostalgia aspect.
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Post by dumdave on Jun 30, 2015 10:14:26 GMT -6
It still was a great place to see a real motion picture.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 8:33:32 GMT -6
No one said it was acceptable behavior. Are you sure about that or is it just more of your typical BS?
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Post by father of two on Jul 2, 2015 8:39:22 GMT -6
The discussion on this subject can be put to rest. I went to Ace yesterday and asked. They are not for sale.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 9:20:00 GMT -6
What does "the majority of seats being empty" have to do with anything at all? Between the two screens there are close to 800 seats, do you really think that the problems on our streets with laws being broken should not be corrected until you are convinced that it is turning away 400 people for each showtime? Really??? You talk as if you know a lot about the situation, do you? How do you think a majority of seats being filled relates to the viability of theatres in general? Don't you think that most theatres that require a majority of the seats to be filled to be profitable should just be closed and that most successful theatres do have a profitability level with just a very low average percentage of the seats ever being filled? You do understand that theatres have a lot of fixed costs that go on regardless of how many people show up to a movie, right? Minimum wage to have some help opening it doesn't go down if only a couple of people show up, the mortgage payment and insurance premiums still need to be paid, you still have to heat and cool the room to be ready for them, etc. After enough people show up so that those fixed costs are covered, any others showing up start creating the revenues that generate much of the profit, the "gravy". Because people tend to go to the movies more on particular nights and when particular product is offered, being able to cover the fixed expenses with a very low average percentage of seats being filled, creates a lot of room for "gravy", do you follow? Any theatre that had fixed expenses that required a majority of the seats to be filled to be at a profitable level, generally would not have as much potential for being as profitable, don't you agree? So what difference do you think a "majority of seats being empty" or filled makes in this conversation? Did you see some of the published financial statements for the Majestic? It appears that Tim had some years where he had some profit and some years where he had some loss. Doesn't that indicate that he was very close to that profitable level and that maybe even just 5% more of that big gravy bowl filled could have made a big difference? Being on the cusp of being profitable with such a low percentage of the seats generally being filled, shows the great potential that our unique local movie palace had, don't you agree? Too bad that our City leaders didn't support having what Mr. Endres (and I agree) feel should have been a tourist destination, by just having our laws enforced in the area. I never said that the majority of the seats need to be filled for a theater to be profitable or to cover fixed expenses. I said unless someone had a love for theater, a smart businessman wouldn't invest in the Majestic unless he was confident that he could fill a vast number of seats per each showing. The fights down the street would never turn away anywhere near 400 customers per showing. Other than you and Iron eagle, I cant recall anyone posting here that they saw anything bad happening in the years they have been going to the Majestic. I would agree with you that a theater that had to have a majority of the seats filled to be profitable. I am just saying that you worry about such a small percentage of business lost , when you still have so many seats empty that can be filled by other means. When your customers witnessed these things, did you offer them free passes or maybe 2 couple of drinks and popcorn to entice them to come back and try you again? Do you really think the Tim was that close to making it? They solicited donations for digital projectors. Obviously he didn't make enough to buy them on the profits, nor to properly maintain the building since you say that water is pouring into it from the roof. No, I don't agree that the Majestic had great potential as a tourist destination. Sure, it is unique, but hardly something that would draw people back , time and time again, based on the nostalgia aspect.[/quote] What you said was that you won't consider our laws being broken as being a problem that should be addressed until you see that it is the direct cause keeping at least 400 people away from each set of shows. Gee dog, based on that, is there really any difference between your claim that our City sees people beating each other in our streets as "tolerable behavior" and my claim that it is deemed acceptable behavior? What difference does it make as to how many people have mentioned on here that they have witnessed the illegal activities? Do you expect the many supporters of the violence (who like to attack others here) to talk about how many of the incidents they instigated? If you are doubting that these things do happen often, there was an article in the paper last year that highlighted the problem and our Mayor (with no solutions) reported recently that the numbers are increasing. There are typically many spectators to tell many friends and family members aboit what happens in our streets. So now you think that businesses sbould have to give their products away for free to convince their customers to come around the illegal activities?Do you suggest that businesses just give the free product to just the people who had to witness the crimes, or should they also offer it to all of their friends snd family that they told about the incident as well? Should businesses just offer free product to everyone who has heard about Streator's rough reputation to try to entice them to come here. I suppose that businesses that just gave their priducts away for free probably could attract more "customers". What a good idea, did a professor at your business college teach you that concept? Don't you think it would be better for our community if they just started enforcing our laws instead?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 9:27:46 GMT -6
It still was a great place to see a real motion picture. Of course it was Dave. There aren't many places that you can go to get the nostalgic experience, such a big auditorium, stadium seating, a 40' wide screen, a great sound system, and very low prices compared to most theatres. It is a shame that our City would not support a business like that by just having our laws enforced, instead the Mayor reports that the problem is increasing.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 9:33:51 GMT -6
The discussion on this subject can be put to rest. I went to Ace yesterday and asked. They are not for sale. The conversation is about more than just Ace. It is about the "increasing" problem of our laws being routinely broken around some of the bars and hurting other businesses in the area. It is a shame that our City leaders have no solution.
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Post by father of two on Jul 2, 2015 9:40:38 GMT -6
No this thread started about Ace Hardware. It got sidetracked to the neighborhood.
Also from what I was told yesterday is that there are several suitors who have big interest in purchasing if and when it goes up for sale. Doesn't sound like having Ace stay open will be a problem.
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Post by harleyrk on Jul 2, 2015 9:47:35 GMT -6
Nope it was about Ace, not anyone or any other business............. ACE HARDWARE
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 9:52:43 GMT -6
No this thread started about Ace Hardware. It got sidetracked to the neighborhood. Also from what I was told yesterday is that there are several suitors who have big interest in purchasing if and when it goes up for sale. Doesn't sound like having Ace stay open will be a problem. That may be how it started, but obviously some people see the connection to and are really interested in talking about the problems of our laws being routinely broken in th area. After all, it is an important issue concerning the health of our downtown. I hope that they do come up with a good solution soon.
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Post by helencrump on Jul 2, 2015 10:23:19 GMT -6
No this thread started about Ace Hardware. It got sidetracked to the neighborhood. Also from what I was told yesterday is that there are several suitors who have big interest in purchasing if and when it goes up for sale. Doesn't sound like having Ace stay open will be a problem. More reiteration that great management and great staff are the ticket to a successful business. And that there are people waiting in the wings to take on a chance at being Streator business owners. More prospective business owners need to hear positive aspects of successful business owners, so they are willing to see the whole picture, not just the failed view.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 2, 2015 11:21:28 GMT -6
No this thread started about Ace Hardware. It got sidetracked to the neighborhood. Also from what I was told yesterday is that there are several suitors who have big interest in purchasing if and when it goes up for sale. Doesn't sound like having Ace stay open will be a problem. More reiteration that great management and great staff are the ticket to a successful business. And that there are people waiting in the wings to take on a chance at being Streator business owners. More prospective business owners need to hear positive aspects of successful business owners, so they are willing to see the whole picture, not just the failed view. Don't you think it would be better if we could tell the prospective businesses that the City of Streator views violence as unaccptable and will take action to stop it and not have owners need to spend huge amounts to remove "all" the snow or be subject to the City's daily fines, so that they know that our City prefers businesses over the criminals?
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