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Post by rocket on Apr 25, 2015 9:01:43 GMT -6
Ever heard of "you can't fight cityhall"? Keep pushing them and you'll end up pushing them into making another ordinance that would automatically condemn any building that sits un occupied or vacant beyond 30 days,which would automatically be put on a demolish list. Do you really want to go that far to have them declare your building vacant and start demolition proceedings? Just let it go. You already stated you no longer live here and is living in another state. Cut your losses and forget about Streator and move on. Your not going to win this battle with this city government. This city has been running this way ,clear back into the 30's Never going to change,it has become a tradition to this town on how it is being run.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 25, 2015 10:43:32 GMT -6
What business is it of yours if I utilize my building or what is best for me financially? It isn't any of my business, just trying to give you some advice that might help you. Is that a crime? Come on dog, I am smart enough to see that "helping" me could not be your motivation for making your unsupported "a$$umptions" about my personal finances that go against my saying multiple times that I simply can not afford your "suggestion" of just walking away, that you keep on pushing. I've said many times that I have a lot of money invested here. You couldn't possibly think that walking away from my large investment rather than just keep asking for the changes that I want could help me, could you? Why do you want to know if it is a crime? Would that stop you? You seem to have the attitude that it doesn't make a difference whether or not laws are even followed. Did you remove "all" of the snow from your sidewalks to keep from being a criminal? Does it even matter at all whether or not your making unsupported a$$umptions about my personal finances under the ruse of "helping" me is a crime? You would still have tried making what I do your business even without knowing the facts, wouldn't you?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 25, 2015 11:06:01 GMT -6
Ever heard of "you can't fight cityhall"? Keep pushing them and you'll end up pushing them into making another ordinance that would automatically condemn any building that sits un occupied or vacant beyond 30 days,which would automatically be put on a demolish list. Do you really want to go that far to have them declare your building vacant and start demolition proceedings? Just let it go. You already stated you no longer live here and is living in another state. Cut your losses and forget about Streator and move on. Your not going to win this battle with this city government. This city has been running this way ,clear back into the 30's Never going to change,it has become a tradition to this town on how it is being run. Gee rocket, haven't you been reading this thread? I do still live in Streator. Maybe you could quote me stating that I don't, if you really think that is the case. You may find me saying that I have residences in other states as well, but I do have a residence in Streator. People can live in more than one place, can't they? My license still says Streator. I didn't register to vote anywhere else. Do I really have to justify to you, dog, or the City of Streator that I spend any certain amount of time here? Yes rocket, I have heard that you can't fight City Hall. I think part of the reason for that saying is because the people at City Hall have plenty of taxpayer resources to fund a long costly court battle. That is hard to fight. However, I think our founding fathers had already experienced the wrath of an unfair government and gave us other weapons to fight City Hall with that are much more effective than going to court. They basically already had an ordinance similar to what you suggest, it is the subject of this thread. They could determine based on many loose parameters, who they wanted to impact it upon, make building owners jump through a high hoops, then determine if they wanted to accept the hoop jumping being good enough and then if not fine them $750.00/day each and every day until they felt they were happy, and then put a lien on the property for that amount. I fought City Hall over it because I felt it was unfair and it appears they have repealed it. I fought City Hall over their ridiculous ordinance making sidewalk sales illegal without a Special Use Permit, they have changed that and we now have a reasonable ordinance. The bar violence problems that I have talked about the longest and what created their vindictive attitude in my opinion are starting to be addressed too. After never before hearing them talk at all about solutions for better enforcement of these problems, they are talking about raising liquor license fees by 50% using enforcement of the problems as the reason. They also budgeted $35,00.00 for surveillance equipment. You remember that they recently passed the public drunkenness law that now makes it illegal for you to pass out on someone else's yard, don't you? Is that why you want me to let these issues go, so that you can pass out wherever you want? When I went and met privately with my City leaders and asked nicely that the problems hurting business be corrected, the only results were their vindictive attacks against my family. Now that I have been fighting City Hall armed with the tolls given to us by our founding fathers and secured by the great sacrifices of many people, doesn't it appear that results are starting to come? It appears that fighting is what they respond to. I think that you can fight City Hall. Our government is supposed to be "for the people". If they are proud of what they do and the results that they provide us, then talking about it as much as we want should not be any problem at all. If they aren't proud of what they do, they should start doing things differently, instead of attacking the people when they ask for better. Yes, I believe that laws of the land trump tradition and changes are happening. I'll keep talking to make sure though. It appears that the positive changes that have been happening are making some people very unhappy, that is a good sign. I am very optimistic about what the future holds for Streator. With the right changes, Anything's Possible!
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Post by dog on Apr 25, 2015 11:26:22 GMT -6
It isn't any of my business, just trying to give you some advice that might help you. Is that a crime? Come on dog, I am smart enough to see that "helping" me could not be your motivation for making your unsupported "a$$umptions" about my personal finances that go against my saying multiple times that I simply can not afford your "suggestion" of just walking away, that you keep on pushing. I've said many times that I have a lot of money invested here. You couldn't possibly think that walking away from my large investment rather than just keep asking for the changes that I want could help me, could you? Why do you want to know if it is a crime? Would that stop you? You seem to have the attitude that it doesn't make a difference whether or not laws are even followed. Did you remove "all" of the snow from your sidewalks to keep from being a criminal? Does it even matter at all whether or not your making unsupported a$$umptions about my personal finances under the ruse of "helping" me is a crime? You would still have tried making what I do your business even without knowing the facts, wouldn't you? Then tell me Ole wise one ,what my motivation is. You are way too skeptical. Of course my a$$umptions are unsupported. I have no access to your personal finances, nor do I want to or need to. But since you want to keep talking about you situation,don't you think that continually making your investment larger isn't such a good thing? I was just trying to give you a suggestion and some free advice. Yes I was guilty a couple of times regarding the snow ordinance. People still came to my business in spite of me being a criminal.
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Post by chevypower on Apr 25, 2015 16:48:25 GMT -6
Well said dog.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 26, 2015 6:31:23 GMT -6
Come on dog, I am smart enough to see that "helping" me could not be your motivation for making your unsupported "a$$umptions" about my personal finances that go against my saying multiple times that I simply can not afford your "suggestion" of just walking away, that you keep on pushing. I've said many times that I have a lot of money invested here. You couldn't possibly think that walking away from my large investment rather than just keep asking for the changes that I want could help me, could you? Why do you want to know if it is a crime? Would that stop you? You seem to have the attitude that it doesn't make a difference whether or not laws are even followed. Did you remove "all" of the snow from your sidewalks to keep from being a criminal? Does it even matter at all whether or not your making unsupported a$$umptions about my personal finances under the ruse of "helping" me is a crime? You would still have tried making what I do your business even without knowing the facts, wouldn't you? Then tell me Ole wise one ,what my motivation is. You are way too skeptical. Of course my a$$umptions are unsupported. I have no access to your personal finances, nor do I want to or need to. But since you want to keep talking about you situation,don't you think that continually making your investment larger isn't such a good thing? I was just trying to give you a suggestion and some free advice. Yes I was guilty a couple of times regarding the snow ordinance. People still came to my business in spite of me being a criminal. Wise One? You are the one with all of the education, remember? I'm just the uneducated moron(among many other names and claims), haven't you been paying attention on here? Gee dog, after years and years of you defending just about everything our city does that I talk about and indicating that the "tradition" of how our City has been run is acceptable, now that some of the changes that I have been wanting are occurring, doesn't it really appear that your motives are to "help" you, not me? Gee dog, with our declining real estate values being so low that commercial property is just given away and houses sell for as low as $6,000, doesn't making more investments here not being a good thing apply to everyone? Are you telling everyone that it is the best thing for their personal finances to not invest anything in Streator and to just walk away from what they have invested, or are you only trying to "help" me? Gee dog, it's not like the City came out at a public meeting and falsely declared you a criminal to have it on the cover of the newspaper, but it is nice to know that a long time established business can still get some customers after being made a criminal by our City leaders. There's no way to actually know how many potential customers may not have patronized your business already or in the future though, is there? Do you suppose that new businesses trying to earn the trust of the community will survive as well? Do you think being criminal and subject to the City's daily fines is inviting to perspective businesses?
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