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Post by toshiko on Aug 28, 2014 15:03:13 GMT -6
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 28, 2014 17:11:11 GMT -6
Also, I don't know if the ops link mentions this, but in the owners interview, he said...the instructors are prepared for this. If shooter is right handed, instructor uses right hand to slap the gun down if shooter looses control. If left handed, stands to left. (Not an exact quote, but d**n close) so, this instructor apparently wasn't fast enough in his slap down. Wonder how many of the instructors decided to call it a day? Bet none of them. Bet they all stayed and are defending the place, and that everyone has the right to shoot a gun. Most folks aren't really literate at the rate of fire, Uzis will run between 600 and 900 per minute cyclic rate depending on the configuration, most run towards the higher end of the spectrum. Lets take the low end though, at 600 CPM, that is 10 shots per second, or 1 tenth of a second per shot. Now the concept that ANYONE can have their hand close to the gun and react and "slap" anything down means they only hire super ninjas as instructors. Ain't gonna happen. If they want to offer the "experience" to youngsters, they need to either convert one to .32 ACP, .22LR would be even safer, or create a mechanical arm to prevent such incidents from happening. This "accident" was totally preventable, and totally PREDICTABLE. Not trying to be difficult HC, I know you are only reporting what this guy said, but god forbid, one of our members be on vacation and decide to try it, they need to understand the mechanics of the situation. It isn't even about being young, I know several smaller framed adults who would not be ready for that muzzle climb.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 28, 2014 17:16:07 GMT -6
And your issue is? You do realize this was posted several days before the idiot range instructor got himself killed? You do realize this article pushes safe range practices? I guess you have to be a rabid anti-tea partier to understand...........
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 28, 2014 17:21:42 GMT -6
Anyone know if an Uzi has a setting for a 3 round burst? Nope, not even close. Probably not, submachine guns are violent, nasty little critters, I only shot it once, and you have seen me, I'm certainly big enough and strong enough. I can safely say I never want to be around either the Uzi or a Mac in full auto configuration again. You have to be mentally prepared for the shot before you take it, otherwise you are behind the gun before you ever pull the trigger.
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Post by helencrump on Aug 28, 2014 21:29:40 GMT -6
Also, I don't know if the ops link mentions this, but in the owners interview, he said...the instructors are prepared for this. If shooter is right handed, instructor uses right hand to slap the gun down if shooter looses control. If left handed, stands to left. (Not an exact quote, but d**n close) so, this instructor apparently wasn't fast enough in his slap down. Wonder how many of the instructors decided to call it a day? Bet none of them. Bet they all stayed and are defending the place, and that everyone has the right to shoot a gun. Most folks aren't really literate at the rate of fire, Uzis will run between 600 and 900 per minute cyclic rate depending on the configuration, most run towards the higher end of the spectrum. Lets take the low end though, at 600 CPM, that is 10 shots per second, or 1 tenth of a second per shot. Now the concept that ANYONE can have their hand close to the gun and react and "slap" anything down means they only hire super ninjas as instructors. Ain't gonna happen. If they want to offer the "experience" to youngsters, they need to either convert one to .32 ACP, .22LR would be even safer, or create a mechanical arm to prevent such incidents from happening. This "accident" was totally preventable, and totally PREDICTABLE. Not trying to be difficult HC, I know you are only reporting what this guy said, but god forbid, one of our members be on vacation and decide to try it, they need to understand the mechanics of the situation. It isn't even about being young, I know several smaller framed adults who would not be ready for that muzzle climb. I guess my comment that the instructor 'wasn't quick enough in his slap down' didn't have enough sarcasm dripping from it. I'm not trying to be difficult, either. I was simply commenting on what the owner of a shooting range said, about his instructors. I think it's stupid for a parent to even contemplate allowing their child to do this, but in defense of these parents, I bet they had no clue that there wouldn't be more safety precautions taken. And that is the part that boggles my mind. this was legal. the owner followed what laws there were. There's no stipulations other than the age cutoff of 8!! Well, we see how well that worked out.
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Post by dumdave on Aug 29, 2014 9:29:19 GMT -6
It is a sorry commentary on today's society. 9 yr old w/ uzi at a tourist joint no less.
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Post by chevypower on Aug 30, 2014 12:43:52 GMT -6
How well would a uzi ice cream parlor go over? bring your kids to a day of fun and eat ice cream and shoot the cherry of the top of a big ice cream cone lol
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Post by chevypower on Aug 30, 2014 12:46:57 GMT -6
I was thinking.....fully loaded Ice cream parlor for the name.
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Post by octavarium on Aug 30, 2014 22:14:47 GMT -6
Can we at least agree that fully automatic weapons + stupid instructors + children = a bad mix?
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Post by helencrump on Aug 31, 2014 9:39:12 GMT -6
As far as I have read, the instructors were all law abiding citizens. The one killed was a vet. There's been no reports that this shooting range broke any laws. Guns don't kill. PEOPLE do. Instead of trying to outlaw guns, maybe the focus should be on extermination of people?!? Disclaimer...above. was tongue in cheek
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Post by greekgod on Sept 2, 2014 20:55:08 GMT -6
Alright, there are (2) things that could of prevented this: (1) stupid instructor letting the child shoot the gun (ONLY) on regular mode. (2) The parents not letting the child even go there. #A #B OR ALL THE ABOVE? I pick #A FI/chevypower, I think I'll await Sniper's answer, before chiming in. Sounds like you "nailed" the question the NRA should be asking all Real Americans. g
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Sept 2, 2014 21:16:05 GMT -6
Greek, are you stupid or just play one on the forums?
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Post by dive61364 on Sept 2, 2014 21:25:35 GMT -6
when I was in the navy I had the chance to shot a 50 caliber machine gun. I'm not a small or weak person but I had a difficult time keeping it from climbing even when I knew it would happen. letting a 9 year old kid shot a UZI is plain stupid and asking for problems in my opinion.
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Post by toshiko on Sept 3, 2014 7:48:30 GMT -6
when I was in the navy I had the chance to shot a 50 caliber machine gun. I'm not a small or weak person but I had a difficult time keeping it from climbing even when I knew it would happen. letting a 9 year old kid shot a UZI is plain stupid and asking for problems in my opinion. That is why I feel this is no accident. It could have totally been prevented.
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Post by helencrump on Sept 3, 2014 8:31:30 GMT -6
Just because it was preventable, doesn't mean it was an accident.
While I do think it was stupid on the parents fault, I wonder why you feel if someone were to be charged, it would be the parents?
If you were taking your niece or nephew to an amusement park or water park, don't you assume that all the rides have been inspected and are safe? Or they'd be shut down, right?
As I stated previously. This place was following current laws. And, it's not the only place around, that allows 8 yr olds and over, to shoot automatic weapons. It wasn't the first death at an exhibit that allows untrained children to fire a weapon.
I feel that there should be laws prohibiting children from even being on a shooting range, unless they've had classes in gun safety. Classes. Not a 2 minute walk through. And an in depth test. Before even seeing the gun they're going to shoot.
Because most people are pro gun now. And they want their minis to be gun toting cuties. Since we cant get rid of the guns, at least make laws to teach safety!!
Because these instructors should've known better. The owner should've known better! Whoever gave them their license should've known better. Any responsible gun owner that used that range should've known better. Out of all those gun lovin people, not one advocated for change. But we hear all the time from people that say they are responsible, law abiding gun owners. What standards are they judging themselves under?
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