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Jul 31, 2015 8:45:19 GMT -6
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Post by oldtimer on Jul 31, 2015 8:45:19 GMT -6
OK, so what all does the City Hall NEED? A/C? What else? A roof? I was giving this a little thought too. When I was in Asia, they had some individual wall mounted A/C units that seemed popular. Think of them as a window unit, but not needing a window, they mounted high up on the walls. Perhaps a half dozen of those strategically placed and a few ceiling fans would do a decent job for a few thousand dollars, not MILLIONS. Our building is worth something, even if it is in poor condition. If they were to sell it, it might be worth $250k to as much as a half million dollars. It's an ASSET. If they have to 'tear it down', mostly demolish it to rebuild, it's going to cost money. It's turning our ASSET into a LIABILITY, something that is going to cost us money to get rid of. Is that really a good idea? I know it is a desirable corner lot. Does the City really have to be in such a visible location? Would a private enterprise pay more for that location? Could Oakland Park School be re purposed? How about the Armory building? Could a 'Morton Building' be built for far less and have all the functionality and be brand spanking new? Are there good, viable options? Ah yes, just get by!!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 31, 2015 9:01:49 GMT -6
Here's the deal.
Architects fees are based upon the dollar value of the project. The projects are paid for by tax dollars............
Just like an Insurance company, what incentive do they have to keep costs down?
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 16:57:39 GMT -6
The house I live in is older. It doesn't need 3+ million in repairs. I'm certain your house isn't even worth $3 million. In sentimentality.
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Post by roman on Jul 31, 2015 17:13:23 GMT -6
They should never have torn down Garfield School.
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Post by helencrump on Jul 31, 2015 17:35:32 GMT -6
OK, so what all does the City Hall NEED? A/C? What else? A roof? I was giving this a little thought too. When I was in Asia, they had some individual wall mounted A/C units that seemed popular. Think of them as a window unit, but not needing a window, they mounted high up on the walls. Perhaps a half dozen of those strategically placed and a few ceiling fans would do a decent job for a few thousand dollars, not MILLIONS. Something LIKE this: www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/home-appliances/air-conditioners/wall-mount/AS25UGQSGEOur building is worth something, even if it is in poor condition. If they were to sell it, it might be worth $250k to as much as a half million dollars. It's an ASSET. If they have to 'tear it down', mostly demolish it to rebuild, it's going to cost money. It's turning our ASSET into a LIABILITY, something that is going to cost us money to get rid of. Is that really a good idea? I know it is a desirable corner lot. Does the City really have to be in such a visible location? Would a private enterprise pay more for that location? Could Oakland Park School be re purposed? How about the Armory building? Could a 'Morton Building' be built for far less and have all the functionality and be brand spanking new? Are there good, viable options? There are plenty of buildings in town that haven't had upkeep. Put off putting a new roof on, and you find yourself replacing floors, wallboard, ceilings, etc. When will people realize that the way to keep these buildings, is to maintain them?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 18:36:54 GMT -6
The house I live in is older. It doesn't need 3+ million in repairs. I'm certain your house isn't even worth $3 million. Why, do you think City Hall is, or even will be after they spend so much taxpayer money that they don't have?
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Post by greekgod on Jul 31, 2015 19:35:19 GMT -6
OK, so what all does the City Hall NEED? A/C? What else? A roof? I was giving this a little thought too. When I was in Asia, they had some individual wall mounted A/C units that seemed popular. Think of them as a window unit, but not needing a window, they mounted high up on the walls. Perhaps a half dozen of those strategically placed and a few ceiling fans would do a decent job for a few thousand dollars, not MILLIONS. Something LIKE this: www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/home-appliances/air-conditioners/wall-mount/AS25UGQSGEOur building is worth something, even if it is in poor condition. If they were to sell it, it might be worth $250k to as much as a half million dollars. It's an ASSET. If they have to 'tear it down', mostly demolish it to rebuild, it's going to cost money. It's turning our ASSET into a LIABILITY, something that is going to cost us money to get rid of. Is that really a good idea? I know it is a desirable corner lot. Does the City really have to be in such a visible location? Would a private enterprise pay more for that location? Could Oakland Park School be re purposed? How about the Armory building? Could a 'Morton Building' be built for far less and have all the functionality and be brand spanking new? Are there good, viable options? bigdipper, Do you really believe the City of Streator should resort to having facilities that those of "third world countries" have? Can you imagine a large Corporation sending representatives to meet with City Officials with the possibility of establishing a facility to employee Streatorites and visit them in a MORTON BUILDING? Let's turn our City into the laughingstock of the U.S. Let's invest in stupid. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 20:10:28 GMT -6
OK, so what all does the City Hall NEED? A/C? What else? A roof? I was giving this a little thought too. When I was in Asia, they had some individual wall mounted A/C units that seemed popular. Think of them as a window unit, but not needing a window, they mounted high up on the walls. Perhaps a half dozen of those strategically placed and a few ceiling fans would do a decent job for a few thousand dollars, not MILLIONS. Something LIKE this: www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/home-appliances/air-conditioners/wall-mount/AS25UGQSGEOur building is worth something, even if it is in poor condition. If they were to sell it, it might be worth $250k to as much as a half million dollars. It's an ASSET. If they have to 'tear it down', mostly demolish it to rebuild, it's going to cost money. It's turning our ASSET into a LIABILITY, something that is going to cost us money to get rid of. Is that really a good idea? I know it is a desirable corner lot. Does the City really have to be in such a visible location? Would a private enterprise pay more for that location? Could Oakland Park School be re purposed? How about the Armory building? Could a 'Morton Building' be built for far less and have all the functionality and be brand spanking new? Are there good, viable options? bigdipper, Do you really believe the City of Streator should resort to having facilities that those of "third world countries" have? Can you imagine a large Corporation sending representatives to meet with City Officials with the possibility of establishing a facility to employee Streatorites and visit them in a MORTON BUILDING? Let's turn our City into the laughingstock of the U.S. Let's invest in stupid. g Gee greek, our City doesn't honor citizens rights as if we are a third world country, why not have a City Hall like one? I can imagine a large corporation going to a nice looking Morton Building, like the one below, only to have our Mayor give them a requirement to stop their business that he can't even justify with our laws, or having a complaint to a federal agency filed against them. Isn't our City government already a laughingstock with the consistently declining population and property values along with excessive rising taxes, not listening to citizens and telling them to just leave if they don't like how our City is run and then trying to force annex people back in, turning away business, etc, etc, etc? Didn't you see roman's post? It seems they operate in a "beyond stupid" mode. Gee, I noticed you are using a different emoticon now, how come?
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Post by greekgod on Jul 31, 2015 20:21:32 GMT -6
bigdipper, Do you really believe the City of Streator should resort to having facilities that those of "third world countries" have? Can you imagine a large Corporation sending representatives to meet with City Officials with the possibility of establishing a facility to employee Streatorites and visit them in a MORTON BUILDING? Let's turn our City into the laughingstock of the U.S. Let's invest in stupid. g Gee greek, our City doesn't honor citizens rights as if we are a third world country, why not have a City Hall like one? I can imagine a large corporation going to a nice looking Morton Building, like the one below, only to have our Mayor give them a requirement to stop their business that he can't even justify with our laws, or having a complaint to a federal agency filed against them. Isn't our City government already a laughingstock with the consistently declining population and property values along with excessive rising taxes, not listening to citizens and telling them to just leave if they don't like how our City is run and then trying to force annex people back in, turning away business, etc, etc, etc? Didn't you see roman's post? It seems they operate in a "beyond stupid" mode. Gee, I noticed you are using a different emoticon now, how come? Kyle, You have no clue. Business is increasing, plants are hiring and The City of Streator does not have the highest crime rate in LaSalle, as you seem to insinuate. I really do not read many post that support your "opinions" of our City. Perhaps some proof to support your accusations, innuendoes, and hearsay" would be more productive in gaining supporters. Wait, I just bet you have no proof. Then, you go on your rant about your "Constitutional Rights". Oh, and you do so love the attention. Just my Opinion of course. g
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 20:35:50 GMT -6
Gee greek, our City doesn't honor citizens rights as if we are a third world country, why not have a City Hall like one? I can imagine a large corporation going to a nice looking Morton Building, like the one below, only to have our Mayor give them a requirement to stop their business that he can't even justify with our laws, or having a complaint to a federal agency filed against them. Isn't our City government already a laughingstock with the consistently declining population and property values along with excessive rising taxes, not listening to citizens and telling them to just leave if they don't like how our City is run and then trying to force annex people back in, turning away business, etc, etc, etc? Didn't you see roman's post? It seems they operate in a "beyond stupid" mode. Gee, I noticed you are using a different emoticon now, how come? Kyle, You have no clue. Business is increasing, plants are hiring and The City of Streator does not have the highest crime rate in LaSalle, as you seem to insinuate. I really do not read many post that support your "opinions" of our City. Perhaps some proof to support your accusations, innuendoes, and hearsay" would be more productive in gaining supporters. Wait, I just bet you have no proof. Then, you go on your rant about your "Constitutional Rights". Oh, and you do so love the attention. Just my Opinion of course. g Come on greek, many people do realize that with the City of Streator trying to hide much of what does happen here that those crime statistics are just made up numbers. I don't need people supporting my opinions so that they too can be attacked by our City leaders and their supporters on here. I have plenty of proof, but don't even need it. It is our City that is in need of the proof that they don't have. Yes, I love the attention drawn to the issues that I talk about. Thanks for keeping it going for so many years!
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Post by greekgod on Jul 31, 2015 20:55:07 GMT -6
Kyle, You have no clue. Business is increasing, plants are hiring and The City of Streator does not have the highest crime rate in LaSalle, as you seem to insinuate. I really do not read many post that support your "opinions" of our City. Perhaps some proof to support your accusations, innuendoes, and hearsay" would be more productive in gaining supporters. Wait, I just bet you have no proof. Then, you go on your rant about your "Constitutional Rights". Oh, and you do so love the attention. Just my Opinion of course. g Come on greek, many people do realize that with the City of Streator trying to hide much of what does happen here that those crime statistics are just made up numbers. I don't need people supporting my opinions so that they too can be attacked by our City leaders and their supporters on here. I have plenty of proof, but don't even need it. It is our City that is in need of the proof that they don't have. Yes, I love the attention drawn to the issues that I talk about. Thanks for keeping it going for so many years! Kyle, Right, all we have to do is take your word for it that you have" proof". "Cross your heart and hope to die, stick a needle in your eye." Keep living in "Kyle's World". No need to ask you a question, you'll answer the same was as always, DON'T YOU THINK? Until you offer the proof you claim to have, but stand behind your Constitution Rights, to not have to produce them to state your opinions, your proof does not exist in my opinion. Don't you think? Kyle love's his name in lights! All My Honest Opinion of course. g
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 20:57:09 GMT -6
I'm not saying that repairs aren't necessary. But a total remodel? 3+ million dollars? No flippin way! Do the repairs and maintenance. Much more cost effective.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 1, 2015 6:09:33 GMT -6
Come on greek, many people do realize that with the City of Streator trying to hide much of what does happen here that those crime statistics are just made up numbers. I don't need people supporting my opinions so that they too can be attacked by our City leaders and their supporters on here. I have plenty of proof, but don't even need it. It is our City that is in need of the proof that they don't have. Yes, I love the attention drawn to the issues that I talk about. Thanks for keeping it going for so many years! Kyle, Right, all we have to do is take your word for it that you have" proof". "Cross your heart and hope to die, stick a needle in your eye." Keep living in "Kyle's World". No need to ask you a question, you'll answer the same was as always, DON'T YOU THINK? Until you offer the proof you claim to have, but stand behind your Constitution Rights, to not have to produce them to state your opinions, your proof does not exist in my opinion. Don't you think? Kyle love's his name in lights! All My Honest Opinion of course. g Why would you even expect that I or anyone else should provide you any proof of anything? If you want proof, go find it for yourself. What, do you expect everything to just be handed to you? What's wrong with working for what you want, like others do? You wouldn't trust anything that I provided anyway, would you? Is our City government for the people and by the people? If so, they should be cooperative to provide you "proof" of the things that they say about me and my family, right? Why not take the opportunity to share their proof to help them with their very public assassination of our character? Isn't it a shame that the people living outside our City limits are so irresponsible to just illegally dump raw sewage to poison our groundwater supply? The City did have "proof" of that before they came out and said publicly in the newspaper that those people are illegal, right? Maybe you should provide that proof from our government too. Go ahead greek, mock my use of our Constitution to talk about what I want from our government that is supposed to be for the people and by the people. When the City provides their proof that my family was illegal as they told the public on the cover of the newspaper, I will consider providing you some proof. Many people did make great sacrifices to provide us those Constitutional Rights, but if you don't like our Constitution, maybe you should start asking that it be thrown out. It seems that you would find much support for that at our City Hall.
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Post by greekgod on Aug 1, 2015 14:42:51 GMT -6
As Sniper pointed out, I don't think you realize how nicely a 'Morton Building' can be finished out. They don't all look like a plain equipment shed or a factory you know. Do you think they will be able to put up a marble or granite art deco edifice that is supposed to be symbolic of the grandeur of our fair City? Let's stick to something functional, especially if they can't get more than 40 years out of it before scrapping it and starting over. I am just suggesting the bid is a lot of money and asking if there are some more affordable alternatives, especially if they are going to tear down the existing building(an asset that is WORTH money) and turn it into a liability that will cost money to demolish. I am sure they have looked at it, I just wonder if they just want what they want and that's the end of story. Bill the taxpayer. I don't know Greek, to each their own I guess, I have never been a very showy person trying to impress others with what I drive or whatever. Maybe you are, to each their own. I DO think whatever building they have or will have should be well maintained to last. 40 years was a pretty short life for a building no matter how you cut it. bigdipper. I'm sure Morton Building are quite the rage in rural Livingston Co. where you live, and in Ransom where Sniper lives. Perhaps you can due some research and find how many Morton Buildings have been built to serve as a City Hall's in cities of Streator's population. Sometimes you have to invest in a City in the form of taxes to build the infrastructure, to improve services, and into the Schools, to attract investors who consider graduation rates more important than the W/L record of the local sports teams. Investors who consider a "skilled" workforce more important than the number of unemployed individuals available. We may have to invest in making our community more attractive to those who would consider their future management's family relocating to, a community to which they may enjoy and feel welcome. We do not need a cheaper place to live. We need growth in a population of investors and that realize they can grow with us, because we have invested in our City. g .
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Post by dive61364 on Aug 1, 2015 14:51:06 GMT -6
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