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Post by helencrump on Aug 1, 2015 21:03:42 GMT -6
I believe they worked with south Streator to offer different solutions to the mine dilemma. Reading township fought epa for a long time, until they ran out of time, didn't they?
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Post by greekgod on Aug 1, 2015 21:07:00 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. dog, You nailed it. I give credit to the City of Streator to try get a grant to make it possible to those citizens in those neighborhoods AVOID possibly very expensive cost and penalties. Perhaps, if we had a City Manager during the time Mayor Art Dell was in office, we would not being paying the Sewer Bills we now have. The grants were available at that time to provide funds from the Federal Government, for Streator to upgrade it sewers, but I believe they were not filed in a timely fashion. Now we are paying after all these years. But if they want to go it alone, they are welcome to pay the fines and for the system it takes for them to become compliance. It their option. Avoiding an increase in cost by doing nothing is not an option. That's a fact. g
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Post by spell chek is 4 dumbies on Aug 1, 2015 21:24:23 GMT -6
Unfortunately someone is discharging their sewage straight out of the city manager's mouth. Shame on the city and their leaders. It is really unfortunate that they feel they don't have to answer questions. I have a few like many others do. Why is the city being so quick to go on the offensive and attack these individuals but not work on making the city of Streator 100% compliant? Are there areas inside Streator's boundaries that still dump into the mines? (YES). Are there areas where stormwater and sanitary lines are not separated? (YES, residents have the backups to prove it). If the true motivation is to stop possible contamination, why wouldn't you include everyone not just the low or middle income areas? You say that the city's costs would be spread out over a larger tax base so costs would go down both to the city and to the residents but how exactly does that work when you are targeting the lower property values outside the city? Wouldn't you want the higher valued properties around the Thomas Addition or Circle Drive Addition? Your police department has stated many times that they don't have enough manpower to properly police and patrol the current city limits, how many officers will you be adding? How about additional public works employees since they seem to be short also? What exactly is the city's true motivation?
Almost forgot,one question for LaSalle County. Before you start issuing fines are you going to bring the many homes that are owned by the county and used by the HALC in these targeted areas up to compliance???
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Post by spell chek is 4 dumbies on Aug 1, 2015 21:41:23 GMT -6
These areas do need a public sewer system. Most of the homes that dump into the mines sit on a typical city sized lot that can't accommodate a property septic system. The city knows this and went straight to the strong arm approach. The country, townships, and city should be working together and presenting these residents their options. If the city can show that the costs would be so much less with annexation then there would be less resistance. Most people follow their wallets. If you can't be open, honest, and answer questions then you are hiding something.
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Post by antamaleen on Aug 2, 2015 6:27:51 GMT -6
Oooooooooo...... Heard that!
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Post by dog on Aug 2, 2015 6:49:38 GMT -6
Unfortunately someone is discharging their sewage straight out of the city manager's mouth. Shame on the city and their leaders. It is really unfortunate that they feel they don't have to answer questions. I have a few like many others do. Why is the city being so quick to go on the offensive and attack these individuals but not work on making the city of Streator 100% compliant? Are there areas inside Streator's boundaries that still dump into the mines? (YES). Are there areas where stormwater and sanitary lines are not separated? (YES, residents have the backups to prove it). If the true motivation is to stop possible contamination, why wouldn't you include everyone not just the low or middle income areas? You say that the city's costs would be spread out over a larger tax base so costs would go down both to the city and to the residents but how exactly does that work when you are targeting the lower property values outside the city? Wouldn't you want the higher valued properties around the Thomas Addition or Circle Drive Addition? Your police department has stated many times that they don't have enough manpower to properly police and patrol the current city limits, how many officers will you be adding? How about additional public works employees since they seem to be short also? What exactly is the city's true motivation? Almost forgot,one question for LaSalle County. Before you start issuing fines are you going to bring the many homes that are owned by the county and used by the HALC in these targeted areas up to compliance??? www.mywebtimes.com/news/local/streator-meets-on-sewer-projects-city-hall-renovations/article_f562422b-38fd-5c17-b672-8be6f010633e.htmlhttp://www.mywebtimes.com/news/local/streator-meets-on-sewer-projects-city-hall-renovations/article_f562422b-38fd-5c17-b672-8be6f010633e.html
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 2, 2015 12:48:34 GMT -6
Time for a bit of a reality check.
First, if you have a septic TANK, the effluent is fine to put down the mines. A TANK takes very little room, my 1500 gallon ( a big one ) isn't over 3-4 feet wide by about 6 foot long.
You can't tell me there isn't room to install the tank, perhaps not a leach field, but hence, the reason to use the mines in the first place.
Here again, why would you penalize the MAJORITY who are operating legally, for the MINORITY who are not?
That is the question that should be answered.
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Post by father of two on Aug 2, 2015 13:01:07 GMT -6
If the EPA is going to step in down the road and make those not in compliance comply then the city is offering to help. People can say no and take their chances. It will cost more to them in the long run. Storm water can still be sent to the mines but not raw sewage. How many go directly to the mines, have septic but no leach field is yet to be determined.
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Post by antamaleen on Aug 2, 2015 13:51:00 GMT -6
Time for a bit of a reality check. First, if you have a septic TANK, the effluent is fine to put down the mines. A TANK takes very little room, my 1500 gallon ( a big one ) isn't over 3-4 feet wide by about 6 foot long. You can't tell me there isn't room to install the tank, perhaps not a leach field, but hence, the reason to use the mines in the first place. Here again, why would you penalize the MAJORITY who are operating legally, for the MINORITY who are not? That is the question that should be answered. First of all, they have to be willing to answer the questions.
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Post by greekgod on Aug 2, 2015 14:18:06 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. Dog, It really is that simple! Excellent post! g
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 2, 2015 14:24:02 GMT -6
If the EPA is going to step in down the road and make those not in compliance comply then the city is offering to help. People can say no and take their chances. It will cost more to them in the long run. Storm water can still be sent to the mines but not raw sewage. How many go directly to the mines, have septic but no leach field is yet to be determined. That was the same thing said the LAST time this was tried. Guess what, in a court of law, Streator got hammered, not the property owners.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 2, 2015 14:26:40 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. Dog, It really is that simple! Excellent post! g Really? so the dumping in the mines is going to cease? Does that mean the CITY will be pumping water in them to keep them full like it was supposed to do for all these years? C'mon GREEK, engage and answer a d**n question. Will the city of Streator fulfill it's obligations or will they slide yet again?
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Post by father of two on Aug 2, 2015 14:50:09 GMT -6
Sniper, for someone who isn't a resident, why do you care so much? Storm water will be diverted to mines to keep them full.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Aug 2, 2015 14:59:23 GMT -6
I care because what they are doing is not RIGHT. I care because my livelihood is positioned over those mines that the CITY has NOT kept full like they were ordered to, and this will exasperate the situation.
I care because many here don't know this has been tried in the past, perhaps if more of us who were around when they tried this crap in the past spoke out, they might get the message to clean their OWN house before crapping in others........
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Post by harleyrk on Aug 2, 2015 17:02:07 GMT -6
I am one in South Streator who was forced to join into the sewer system even though 2 years prior I installed a state of the art septic system that I paid in the neighborhood of $15,000 for and there was absolutely nothing the County, Township or City would compensate me for,they did not even inform me of their intentions of putting in the sewer system as I would have kept my old septic system!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes there was some shenanigan's being done with a certain person who is no longer employed by Reading Township.
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