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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:12:06 GMT -6
I kind of got a laugh out of the taxes on a 100k dollar home. my house is valued at 80,000 and my property taxes are at 1,500.00 a year. I should have added the word "additional" taxes, that is what they are claiming the city's additional tax would be on top of all the other taxing units. What is the dollar amount for the city alone ? I am too lazy to look it up right now.
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 16:24:14 GMT -6
If the home has a septic tank, why can't they just cap it off to stop it from going in the mines? When the tank starts to get too full, they have to have it pumped. Any home that goes straight to a mine would have to get a tank.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 31, 2015 17:32:18 GMT -6
If the home has a septic tank, why can't they just cap it off to stop it from going in the mines? When the tank starts to get too full, they have to have it pumped. Any home that goes straight to a mine would have to get a tank. That's not how a septic tank works. In normal operation they are always completely full, and only the excess liquids get pushed out by the incoming flow. There are baffles at the outlet to prevent solid waste from leaving, and your solid waste is eaten by bacteria until none remains. A properly operating septic tank can go decades without ever being disturbed, only waste water is let out. The sick thing is, the mines are the ultimate septic rank...........
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 18:37:33 GMT -6
Back to the issue at hand, wouldn't be up to the EPA or IEPA or County health Dept to worry about compliance, not the City? What if the ecoli problem in the spring was somehow related to illegal of dumping of sewage into the mines? Not saying that it is, but I don't remember them ever determining the cause of the contamination. Wouldn't the city need to worry about compliance if that were the case? Gee dog, when I said that our City leaders should let us know what the cause of the contamination of our drinking water was, many people claimed here that it wasn't any of our City's concern because we have a private water company. Why should they be concerned now, when they didn't even bother telling us what the problem was then? Can you say money grab and control over others?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 18:38:29 GMT -6
The output of the tank is required to go to a leach field, which has regulations as to where it can be. Some locations may not have a viable location for a leach field. Those locations may be forced to connect to a sewer system or be vacated. Either way, holding the sewer system over their head to force them to annex is nothing but a money grab/control over others attempt. I think it is wrong to do that, particularly when they refuse to listen to people and tell them to just leave the City if they don't like the way it is run. All they would need to do is change their policy of tying sewer connection to annexation.
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 20:43:49 GMT -6
If the home has a septic tank, why can't they just cap it off to stop it from going in the mines? When the tank starts to get too full, they have to have it pumped. Any home that goes straight to a mine would have to get a tank. That's not how a septic tank works. In normal operation they are always completely full, and only the excess liquids get pushed out by the incoming flow. There are baffles at the outlet to prevent solid waste from leaving, and your solid waste is eaten by bacteria until none remains. A properly operating septic tank can go decades without ever being disturbed, only waste water is let out. The sick thing is, the mines are the ultimate septic rank........... We had septic tanks back home. If it became full it would have to be pumped. It didn't lead off to anywhere.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 1, 2015 6:04:04 GMT -6
That's not how a septic tank works. In normal operation they are always completely full, and only the excess liquids get pushed out by the incoming flow. There are baffles at the outlet to prevent solid waste from leaving, and your solid waste is eaten by bacteria until none remains. A properly operating septic tank can go decades without ever being disturbed, only waste water is let out. The sick thing is, the mines are the ultimate septic rank........... We had septic tanks back home. If it became full it would have to be pumped. It didn't lead off to anywhere. Are you sure that it didn't lead off into the ground, possibly after a leach field? Take a look at your water bills to see how many gallons you use monthly and consider how often it was pumped. Did you have a really huge septic tank, or did you possibly only have it pumped when it was filled with solids and the liquids did lead off to somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 7:39:38 GMT -6
What if the ecoli problem in the spring was somehow related to illegal of dumping of sewage into the mines? Not saying that it is, but I don't remember them ever determining the cause of the contamination. Wouldn't the city need to worry about compliance if that were the case? Gee dog, when I said that our City leaders should let us know what the cause of the contamination of our drinking water was, many people claimed here that it wasn't any of our City's concern because we have a private water company. Why should they be concerned now, when they didn't even bother telling us what the problem was then? Can you say money grab and control over others? I was in Pontiac by their water treatment place along 116 after one of the previous big rains.. Not sure what was running out the overflow into the Vermillion but it sure didnt look pretty...
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 1, 2015 7:56:51 GMT -6
Gee dog, when I said that our City leaders should let us know what the cause of the contamination of our drinking water was, many people claimed here that it wasn't any of our City's concern because we have a private water company. Why should they be concerned now, when they didn't even bother telling us what the problem was then? Can you say money grab and control over others? I was in Pontiac by their water treatment place along 116 after one of the previous big rains.. Not sure what was running out the overflow into the Vermillion but it sure didnt look pretty... Is that right? Where does our drinking water come from? Look out Pontiac, Streator might try to forcibly annex you!
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Post by antamaleen on Aug 1, 2015 15:34:04 GMT -6
Duh! Forgot about the leach field. Childhood memories run amiss. Lol!
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Post by dog on Aug 1, 2015 16:05:37 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is.
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Post by antamaleen on Aug 1, 2015 16:57:32 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. Here's that common sense logic again. Have to agree to that.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 1, 2015 17:50:02 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. I agree dog, it does need to be dealt with. I don't think it should be tied to annexation though. I think our City should change their policy, apply for the grants for the area, install the system, offer annexation to those who do want it, charge those who connect but don't annex a little more, and have the appropriate governing body make sure that everyone is discharging sewage legally. If the County can consider showing years of leniency to those who annex, why can't they show it to those who plan to add tanks/fields? However, the way they are doing things, it really makes me question whether or not at the end of our leaders' day, if it really is about making sure that the problem is dealt with.
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Post by dog on Aug 1, 2015 18:33:01 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it really isn't about annexation, or money grab or the city. There are going to be many residents looking at major expenses. The dumping in the mines is going to end. They either individually have to spend thousands on septic and leach fields if allowed, or come together as a group to do something similar to South Streator, join the city outright, or build their own sewage treatment facility. This is not going away. Most of these people WILL have to deal with it one way or the other. Bickering about the politics of it, wont change what the reality is. I agree dog, it does need to be dealt with. I don't think it should be tied to annexation though. I think our City should change their policy, apply for the grants for the area, install the system, offer annexation to those who do want it, charge those who connect but don't annex a little more, and have the appropriate governing body make sure that everyone is discharging sewage legally. If the County can consider showing years of leniency to those who annex, why can't they show it to those who plan to add tanks/fields? However, the way they are doing things, it really makes me question whether or not at the end of our leaders' day, if it really is about making sure that the problem is dealt with. The fly in the ointment is that I don't think the city can secure a grant for something that is not in their jurisdiction. That's why they need to tie the annexation to the project.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Aug 1, 2015 19:26:32 GMT -6
I agree dog, it does need to be dealt with. I don't think it should be tied to annexation though. I think our City should change their policy, apply for the grants for the area, install the system, offer annexation to those who do want it, charge those who connect but don't annex a little more, and have the appropriate governing body make sure that everyone is discharging sewage legally. If the County can consider showing years of leniency to those who annex, why can't they show it to those who plan to add tanks/fields? However, the way they are doing things, it really makes me question whether or not at the end of our leaders' day, if it really is about making sure that the problem is dealt with. The fly in the ointment is that I don't think the city can secure a grant for something that is not in their jurisdiction. That's why they need to tie the annexation to the project. You don't think? Wouldn't portions of the system be within the City and all of it within our federal government's jurisdiction? Isn't it a federal grant to stop the raw sewage flow into mines within the City that that they are worried about? I would think that if our City had a good working relationship with our County that they could work WITH one another to apply for and secure the federal grants to be able to correct the problems that are all in federal territory. I could be wrong though. Could you please clarify that with our City leaders? Oh wait, that's right, they don't have to answer any questions from the public, do they? I think it's too bad they don't want to.
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