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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 15:41:10 GMT -6
These areas all have water service. Cost would be for hydrant and pipe to come from line to surface. Fair enough, if they do, then that objection can be dropped.
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Post by brylan on Jul 30, 2015 18:27:40 GMT -6
It amazes me how many people do nothing but complain about absolutely anything AND everything the city tries to do. Do you not think they are working to improve things around the city?
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 30, 2015 21:40:28 GMT -6
That is what happens in a discussion. People agree and disagree. It is quite healthy to vent. Better to do it here than the alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:22:04 GMT -6
That is what happens in a discussion. People agree and disagree. It is quite healthy to vent. Better to do it here than the alternative. I've always hoped we could get back to the days of tar and feathering,but sadly those days are gone..
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 4:02:10 GMT -6
That is what happens in a discussion. People agree and disagree. It is quite healthy to vent. Better to do it here than the alternative. I've always hoped we could get back to the days of tar and feathering,but sadly those days are gone.. They are!?! OOPS!!! No wonder I have the police looking for me.
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 31, 2015 4:03:16 GMT -6
Lol! Just kidding! No warrants needed here! Lol!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 31, 2015 7:11:59 GMT -6
It amazes me how many people do nothing but complain about absolutely anything AND everything the city tries to do. Do you not think they are working to improve things around the city? You mean like how Obama is "improving" America? Are you a property owner? I don't see anyone saying do not improve, but forcing annexation and using the power of Government to force that annexation is not "Improvement" unless you follow the Obama model of Government.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 31, 2015 8:58:57 GMT -6
Couple of points to consider MM. MOST of those at least in Streator who discharge into the mines do so after a Septic tank. If they do not, they are illegal, and yes, should be forced to properly treat they effluent.
Does that mean that the majority of those who legally built their homes should now be forced into a government solution because a few flaunted the law, or perhaps should the boot of government be applied to those who flaunted the law?
Let us also remember, those mines need to be kept full of water so they don't collapse, are you ready to pump hundreds of thousands of gallons of water int hem to keep the timbers from rotting?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 31, 2015 10:23:22 GMT -6
I don't think they need to annex anyone to provide sewer systems to them. Other communities provide sewer for residents outside their limits and just charge them a little more. Aren't those grants that they haven't even filed for and don't even know if they would still be available when they do, also be available even without anyone being annexed? If it were about making sure that sewage was treated properly, wouldn't they just change their policy and do it? It is nothing but a money grab and an attempt for control over others, in my opinion.
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Post by dog on Jul 31, 2015 10:37:37 GMT -6
I don't think they need to annex anyone to provide sewer systems to them. Other communities provide sewer for residents outside their limits and just charge them a little more. Isnt that what happened in South Streator? How much does it cost monthly for someone in South Streator to have their sewage treated by the city? Who will have to pay to repair the grinders if they fail? Who has confidence that the system they used will work 10-15 years down the road? Has anybody done a risk and reward comparison to what the city is offering compared to installing a system like South Streator has, and bypassing the annexation option?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 10:46:31 GMT -6
Where is the proof the mines are discharging raw sewage into the river like the city claims ? The mine chambers are usually close to 100' or deeper below the surface and it would take a lift station or pump to pump the sewage up into the river. I previously lived in both South Streator and on the unincorporated East side for nearly 50 yrs. and in both instances our sewage went directly into the mine. My uncle was a well driller and I can remember going with him in my younger years and drilling many shafts for new houses for their sewage disposal. In South Streator our piping went out of the house about 8' and into a vertical shaft that dropped around 100' into the mine, on the East side we had 3 houses connected into one mine shaft. And then there is the issue like Sniper mentioned of empty mines collapsing from rotting dry timbers, we really don't have any experience with that in Streator so don't expect to be standing on stable ground once that starts happening.
The system South Streator installed is an ill advised joke, grinding sewage and pushing it through 1"-1.5" pipe is not the answer. The system is working fine when it is new but I foresee a lot of expensive maintenance for the homeowners in the future. The are currently paying $60 or more a month for this system and usage also.
Now the city is proposing to "fix" all of this to the tune of $1300/yr. additional taxes on a home assessment of $100k in addition to using grant money they are not even sure they can secure ? Annexing all of the unicorporated areas was a wet dream of a previous mayor in office when Wrighton was city manager, now it appears the current council bought into his sales pitch and rehired him. Small wonder there is such a lack of trust in city government knowing the history of this, one can only expect them to execute their plan and then frivolously spend the newfound tax revenues as that has been their history.
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Post by dive61364 on Jul 31, 2015 11:32:16 GMT -6
Where is the proof the mines are discharging raw sewage into the river like the city claims ? The mine chambers are usually close to 100' or deeper below the surface and it would take a lift station or pump to pump the sewage up into the river. I previously lived in both South Streator and on the unincorporated East side for nearly 50 yrs. and in both instances our sewage went directly into the mine. My uncle was a well driller and I can remember going with him in my younger years and drilling many shafts for new houses for their sewage disposal. In South Streator our piping went out of the house about 8' and into a vertical shaft that dropped around 100' into the mine, on the East side we had 3 houses connected into one mine shaft. And then there is the issue like Sniper mentioned of empty mines collapsing from rotting dry timbers, we really don't have any experience with that in Streator so don't expect to be standing on stable ground once that starts happening. The system South Streator installed is an ill advised joke, grinding sewage and pushing it through 1"-1.5" pipe is not the answer. The system is working fine when it is new but I foresee a lot of expensive maintenance for the homeowners in the future. The are currently paying $60 or more a month for this system and usage also. Now the city is proposing to "fix" all of this to the tune of $1300/yr. taxes on a home assessment of $100k in addition to using grant money they are not even sure they can secure ? Annexing all of the unicorporated areas was a wet dream of a previous mayor in office when Wrighton was city manager, now it appears the current council bought into his sales pitch and rehired him. Small wonder there is such a lack of trust in city government knowing the history of this, one can only expect them to execute their plan and then frivolously spend the newfound tax revenues as that has been their history. I kind of got a laugh out of the taxes on a 100k dollar home. my house is valued at 80,000 and my property taxes are at 1,500.00 a year.
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Post by dog on Jul 31, 2015 12:00:07 GMT -6
Back to the issue at hand, wouldn't be up to the EPA or IEPA or County health Dept to worry about compliance, not the City? What if the ecoli problem in the spring was somehow related to illegal of dumping of sewage into the mines? Not saying that it is, but I don't remember them ever determining the cause of the contamination. Wouldn't the city need to worry about compliance if that were the case?
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Post by rocket on Jul 31, 2015 12:14:41 GMT -6
Surprised the city manager hasn't left streator already with The amount of threats including death threats from quite a few Former employees from anchor glass ,that blame him For the plant closing. Bet the city manager has armed body guards surrounding him wherever he goes because of The threats he has been getting.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 31, 2015 13:33:33 GMT -6
Back to the issue at hand, wouldn't be up to the EPA or IEPA or County health Dept to worry about compliance, not the City? What if the ecoli problem in the spring was somehow related to illegal of dumping of sewage into the mines? Not saying that it is, but I don't remember them ever determining the cause of the contamination. Wouldn't the city need to worry about compliance if that were the case? Dog, could you possibly explain how this could happen? I know you like to look at all the angles, but time travel could happen before this can cause Ecoli in the city drinking water.
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