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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 30, 2015 4:16:04 GMT -6
You have options at your business to pay fines, past and present, or cut your losses. Even if your residence is in Livingston County, you still have to be in compliance with all regulations, Local, State and Federal. g Gee greek, is that just Livingston County, or do all the laws have to be followed in Streator too? Wouldn't that mean that the only gaming would be legal and taxed and that people wouldn't be overserved to the point that they are pulling their pants down in the middle of our streets, beating each other, calling police threatening to kill everyone, having a hard time starting their vehicle and then swerving wildly to miss parked vehicles, etc, etc, etc? Shouldn't being in compliance with all laws apply to Streator bar owners too? Why do you suppose our City leaders caved in to show support for our laws to continue to be broken, particularly considering the excessive and "increasing" bar violence problems that keeps people away from our community? What do our leaders get out of it that makes them want to allow the incressing problems to continue without providing any solution at all? BTW, why do you keep posting that face with the mouth wide open? You aren't thinking that your comments are shocking to others are you? When I see it over and over again, I keep thinking that you are just begging for someone to stick something in your wide open mouth.
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 30, 2015 5:55:00 GMT -6
You have options at your business to pay fines, past and present, or cut your losses. Even if your residence is in Livingston County, you still have to be in compliance with all regulations, Local, State and Federal. g Gee greek, is that just Livingston County, or do all the laws have to be followed in Streator too? Wouldn't that mean that the only gaming would be legal and taxed and that people wouldn't be overserved to the point that they are pulling their pants down in the middle of our streets, beating each other, calling police threatening to kill everyone, having a hard time starting their vehicle and then swerving wildly to miss parked vehicles, etc, etc, etc? Shouldn't being in compliance with all laws apply to Streator bar owners too? Why do you suppose our City leaders caved in to show support for our laws to continue to be broken, particularly considering the excessive and "increasing" bar violence problems that keeps people away from our community? What do our leaders get out of it that makes them want to allow the incressing problems to continue without providing any solution at all? BTW, why do you keep posting that face with the mouth wide open? You aren't thinking that your comments are shocking to others are you? When I see it over and over again, I keep thinking that you are just begging for someone to stick something in your wide open mouth. The last sentence is BEYOND WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 7:23:00 GMT -6
No sniper that is not my contention. Motor fuel money is based on population. So Streator receives money for roughly 13,500 instead of approximately 17,000 that use the roads. Those extra people would mean an extra couple hundred thousand dollars a year. Motor fuel money is what is used for road projects. More money could mean more repairs. Hydrants would be covered under the city franchise agreement with the water company. And you contend that Streator does not have enough money to adequately fix the roads at 13,500? I wonder how Ottawa manages, they have far more "Interlopers" using their roads......... Or could it be the d**n city cannot manage its business, it is far easier to cry broke. You say Hydrants would be covered under the city franchise agreement, that sounds wonderful. Now, WHO WILL PAY FOR IT? You don't think NIWC will be asking for a rate increase to put in the millions it will take to adequately provide Hydrants? Something similar is happening in Ransom right now, they got the bright idea to turn their water over to NIWC, and now it looks like they have 4 million or so to tack onto their water bills.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 7:25:05 GMT -6
I want to get some clarification if possible. I was recently taken to task a little because I really didn't know about the grass clippings in the street ordinance. I DO understand it could cause additional maintenance. Catch Basins might have to be cleaned more frequently. They do have existing equipment and personnel for that job. Anyway, someone mentioned something about it getting into the Sewer system. Is that accurate? Are grass clippings finding it's way into the Sewer systems? I am pretty sure the storm water and Sewer systems are mandated to be separate systems. If grass clippings are finding their way into the municipal sewer then it is not just the citizen mowing his grass that is not in compliance. I just think it is ironic(maybe even hypocritical) if the City is using someone else's non-compliance as an excuse to annex when they might very well have their own problems to worry about. Bigdipper, I do believe the EPA ruled years ago what the standards or required for all cities and all citizens. If you are not in compliance, to bad for you. You have options at your business to pay fines, past and present, or cut your losses. Even if your residence is in Livingston County, you still have to be in compliance with all regulations, Local, State and Federal. g You have to be in compliance if you are anything other than a unit of Government. Streator has not been in compliance since I moved to this town over 25 years ago.......... Of course,t hey keep trying to fool those affected into paying for it.......
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 7:25:52 GMT -6
Thought only way city can force annexation is if land in question Is surrounded by city annexed boundary. Meaning land is automatically annexed into the city. I haven't read any of the newspaper coverage of this issue, but the only way I know of where a municipality can force annexation is when the property in question is 60 acres or less and is totally surrounded by the municipality. In such a case, the municipality can annex by an ordinance. That's the law the last time I checked.
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 30, 2015 7:26:17 GMT -6
I thought when you register your vehicles, that money went to cover the roads. What are they going to do? Up the sales tax on shoes to cover fixing the sidewalks?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 7:27:26 GMT -6
I thought when you register your vehicles, that money went to cover the roads. What are they going to do? Up the sales tax on shoes to cover fixing the sidewalks? Don't give them any ideas............
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Post by antamaleen on Jul 30, 2015 7:28:35 GMT -6
Sorry! I thought of that AFTER I hit post. Woe is me!
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Post by father of two on Jul 30, 2015 8:02:27 GMT -6
If the city were to annex property into town part of the agreement should be that the roads that would come under city care from township care stay on the same maintainable schedule they have been on. This way annexed roads stay in the good shape they are in now. Oil and chip roads hold up very well and are cheaper to maintain than asphalt roads. Yes sniper having extra money would help those at the ends of first, second, third, frech streets get home on better roads.
In talking with a former fire chief the franchise agreement allows for a certain number of new hydrant installations if I recall the conversation correctly.
Ottawa receives a lot more money from sales tax than we do which helps them greatly.
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Post by roman on Jul 30, 2015 10:36:58 GMT -6
If the city were to annex property into town part of the agreement should be that the roads that would come under city care from township care stay on the same maintainable schedule they have been on. This way annexed roads stay in the good shape they are in now. Oil and chip roads hold up very well and are cheaper to maintain than asphalt roads. Yes sniper having extra money would help those at the ends of first, second, third, frech streets get home on better roads. In talking with a former fire chief the franchise agreement allows for a certain number of new hydrant installations if I recall the conversation correctly. Ottawa receives a lot more money from sales tax than we do which helps them greatly. Ottawa gets around 14 million in sales taxes compared to Streator's 5.6 million. Little Peru gets over 20 million.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 11:18:53 GMT -6
If the city were to annex property into town part of the agreement should be that the roads that would come under city care from township care stay on the same maintainable schedule they have been on. This way annexed roads stay in the good shape they are in now. Oil and chip roads hold up very well and are cheaper to maintain than asphalt roads. Yes sniper having extra money would help those at the ends of first, second, third, frech streets get home on better roads. In talking with a former fire chief the franchise agreement allows for a certain number of new hydrant installations if I recall the conversation correctly. Ottawa receives a lot more money from sales tax than we do which helps them greatly. I cannot find a precise number for miles of roads, but Ottawa is roughly double the size of Streator, 12 square miles versus 6 square miles. Ottawas population is roughly 18,000 versus Streators roughly 13,000. Ottawas population density is 1,547 per square mile while Streators is 2,381. I think you can appreciate the fact that the lower the density, the more miles of road per person........... You may want to ask NIWC if that certain amount of new hydrant installations includes adding miles of pipe........... We can dance all day long, bottom line, this is going to cost the taxpayers and consumers a butt ton.
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Post by father of two on Jul 30, 2015 14:19:38 GMT -6
These areas all have water service. Cost would be for hydrant and pipe to come from line to surface.
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Post by fishman on Jul 30, 2015 14:42:54 GMT -6
I am curious and haven't found an answer yet, how long does the city have to provide services after annexation. I live on the east side of town and am not in the city limits there is not a sewer anywhere near. So how long can the city collect money before providing said sewer....? Does anyone know.... ?
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Post by dive61364 on Jul 30, 2015 14:48:21 GMT -6
I thought when you register your vehicles, that money went to cover the roads. What are they going to do? Up the sales tax on shoes to cover fixing the sidewalks? Don't give them any ideas............ as soon as they get home rule they can start making the citizens get a yearly vehicle sticker sniper..............
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 30, 2015 15:40:14 GMT -6
I am curious and haven't found an answer yet, how long does the city have to provide services after annexation. I live on the east side of town and am not in the city limits there is not a sewer anywhere near. So how long can the city collect money before providing said sewer....? Does anyone know.... ? There are people over on the west side that have been paying sewer bills for at least 25 years and have never been sewered............ That was one of the points of the lawsuit against the city when they were trying to bring in the east side.
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