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Post by cityslicker on Jul 28, 2015 17:02:55 GMT -6
The mayor doesn't even have the balls to attend the meetings. He has to be ashamed of the way, the city has to taken to increase tax revenue. This forced annexation because of illegal sewers, is just ploy to pursue annexation. The state of Illinois has laws that cover this and is not Crimetown's job to enforce. He is spineless and does not want face the public, at his age, he has no need for a pair of testes. The overseas manager and good old boys and girl club, should spend wisely and run a more efficient city. No golf course lodges, no high employee wages, and stupid anti-business rules. The city cannot even cool the air at a public meeting, they need more tax dollars to buy a new air conditioner system. Pure and Blatant mismanagement!
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Post by dive61364 on Jul 28, 2015 17:26:18 GMT -6
the story in the times press didn't look too flattering to the city or city manager. it says he left the meeting during the intermission.
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Post by helencrump on Jul 28, 2015 21:25:42 GMT -6
Did they simply mistakenly say sewer system instead of storm system?
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Post by Blue Star on Jul 28, 2015 22:34:43 GMT -6
I believe the reason for the upgrades around town is due to the mandatory separate systems. I Think they got grants to help cover the cost, which would explain why it wasn't done earlier & the up-grade is done in sections. I think they want more revenue from the annexations. I also agree that the EPA would have stepped in, but I also think they gave the city extensions on the up-grade too.
As far as the "personnel for that job," the city workers do many diff. jobs, as needed, so sometimes they may too busy to "Un-plug" the storm system. Why would the city "allow" peeps to clog it, when they're handling the clippings 1st? It doesn't make sense to have workers "handling" clippings a 2nd time.
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Post by father of two on Jul 29, 2015 17:46:04 GMT -6
The people who live just outside the boundaries drive on city streets to get to work, school, church, the store, wherever. Who pays for the upkeep of these streets? The city taxpayers. I would think having a quick response police dept would be attractive rather than wait 15-20 minutes or more for a deputy to arrive. A fire dept that can arrive in 5 minutes rather than a volunteer dept that has to have members arrive at the scene could save property and lives faster. People who live outside also use other city amenities that the city taxpayers provide. The city is looking to see if people want to annex, they said they don't want to force them.
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Post by rocket on Jul 29, 2015 18:04:35 GMT -6
Thought only way city can force annexation is if land in question Is surrounded by city annexed boundary. Meaning land is automatically annexed into the city.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jul 29, 2015 18:25:55 GMT -6
The people who live just outside the boundaries drive on city streets to get to work, school, church, the store, wherever. Who pays for the upkeep of these streets? The city taxpayers. I would think having a quick response police dept would be attractive rather than wait 15-20 minutes or more for a deputy to arrive. A fire dept that can arrive in 5 minutes rather than a volunteer dept that has to have members arrive at the scene could save property and lives faster. People who live outside also use other city amenities that the city taxpayers provide. The city is looking to see if people want to annex, they said they don't want to force them. FOT, first off, is it your contention that general revenue funds from property taxes are used to fix the streets? If so, where does the road tax money go, and where does the extra penny ( or more I can't remember ) that each person buying GASOLINE in Streator provides to fix the d**n roads? I guess no one outside the city limits shops at those Streator stores, pays sales taxes, or provides the means for Streator residents to survive? Now that we have addressed that particular issue yet again. I would not be crowing about how fast the Police department can get to a residence, yes it is faster than the County, but it is certainly not better than minutes when seconds count. Those living outside the city limits may legally protect themselves should the need arise, can you do that inside the city limits? Fire protection is a crap shoot, but let me ask you, will there be fire mains extended to all these new areas? Does Streator even have a decent tanker truck? I would be very cautious about crowing about the fire department, I have seen Grand Ridge beat them to the scene.......... Not trying to be provocative, but I am frankly tired of all the old cliches about why one should beg to pay more in Taxes.
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Post by dive61364 on Jul 29, 2015 19:06:46 GMT -6
I have to agree with sniper yet again. the city raised the gasoline taxes just a few years ago to fix the streets, those citizens that live just outside the city limits already are paying to have the streets repaired when they purchase fuel inside the city limits. did anyone ask them if they wanted the fire department to come to their assistance or police protection..............no the city is tr1ying to force them to be annexed, the citizens that live just outside the city limits already are paying in to the city's coffers when they shop Streator and pay the city sales tax. by forcing annexation in to the city these peoples property taxes will most likely double if not more. I live in the city and my property taxes are very high.
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Post by father of two on Jul 29, 2015 19:58:37 GMT -6
No sniper that is not my contention. Motor fuel money is based on population. So Streator receives money for roughly 13,500 instead of approximately 17,000 that use the roads. Those extra people would mean an extra couple hundred thousand dollars a year. Motor fuel money is what is used for road projects. More money could mean more repairs.
Hydrants would be covered under the city franchise agreement with the water company.
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Post by worthystreator on Jul 29, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -6
No sniper that is not my contention. Motor fuel money is based on population. So Streator receives money for roughly 13,500 instead of approximately 17,000 that use the roads. Those extra people would mean an extra couple hundred thousand dollars a year. Motor fuel money is what is used for road projects. More money could mean more repairs. Hydrants would be covered under the city franchise agreement with the water company. Nailed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:52:24 GMT -6
The people who live just outside the boundaries drive on city streets to get to work, school, church, the store, wherever. Who pays for the upkeep of these streets? The city taxpayers. People who live outside also use other city amenities that the city taxpayers provide. With your line of thinking maybe you should make Streator a gated community, only residents with passes would be allowed in. I live over 5 miles out of town and buy fuel, groceries, and many other items in Streator. However I can just as easily shop out of town and save a few bucks to make it worth the trip.
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Post by greekgod on Jul 29, 2015 21:34:34 GMT -6
I want to get some clarification if possible. I was recently taken to task a little because I really didn't know about the grass clippings in the street ordinance. I DO understand it could cause additional maintenance. Catch Basins might have to be cleaned more frequently. They do have existing equipment and personnel for that job. Anyway, someone mentioned something about it getting into the Sewer system. Is that accurate? Are grass clippings finding it's way into the Sewer systems? I am pretty sure the storm water and Sewer systems are mandated to be separate systems. If grass clippings are finding their way into the municipal sewer then it is not just the citizen mowing his grass that is not in compliance. I just think it is ironic(maybe even hypocritical) if the City is using someone else's non-compliance as an excuse to annex when they might very well have their own problems to worry about. Bigdipper, I do believe the EPA ruled years ago what the standards or required for all cities and all citizens. If you are not in compliance, to bad for you. You have options at your business to pay fines, past and present, or cut your losses. Even if your residence is in Livingston County, you still have to be in compliance with all regulations, Local, State and Federal. g
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Post by helencrump on Jul 29, 2015 23:57:31 GMT -6
I want to get some clarification if possible. I was recently taken to task a little because I really didn't know about the grass clippings in the street ordinance. I DO understand it could cause additional maintenance. Catch Basins might have to be cleaned more frequently. They do have existing equipment and personnel for that job. Anyway, someone mentioned something about it getting into the Sewer system. Is that accurate? Are grass clippings finding it's way into the Sewer systems? I am pretty sure the storm water and Sewer systems are mandated to be separate systems. If grass clippings are finding their way into the municipal sewer then it is not just the citizen mowing his grass that is not in compliance. I just think it is ironic(maybe even hypocritical) if the City is using someone else's non-compliance as an excuse to annex when they might very well have their own problems to worry about. Bigdipper, I do believe the EPA ruled years ago what the standards or required for all cities and all citizens. If you are not in compliance, to bad for you. You have options at your business to pay fines, past and present, or cut your losses. Even if your residence is in Livingston County, you still have to be in compliance with all regulations, Local, State and Federal. g Greek, south Streator, in reading township was required by the EPA to switch over to the sewer system in 2012. There was no individual option. So, I'm not sure what living in liv co has to do with anything, in your comment.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jul 30, 2015 3:52:15 GMT -6
The people who live just outside the boundaries drive on city streets to get to work, school, church, the store, wherever. Who pays for the upkeep of these streets? The city taxpayers. People who live outside also use other city amenities that the city taxpayers provide. With your line of thinking maybe you should make Streator a gated community, only residents with passes would be allowed in. I live over 5 miles out of town and buy fuel, groceries, and many other items in Streator. However I can just as easily shop out of town and save a few bucks to make it worth the trip. Yes, they do seem to have a problem with people from outside of our community coming to spend tbeir money here. Many other places not only see the benefit of having people bring their money to spend in their communities, but work hard to bring people there. Streator seems to try to keep people away.
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Post by roman on Jul 30, 2015 4:13:15 GMT -6
Thought only way city can force annexation is if land in question Is surrounded by city annexed boundary. Meaning land is automatically annexed into the city. I haven't read any of the newspaper coverage of this issue, but the only way I know of where a municipality can force annexation is when the property in question is 60 acres or less and is totally surrounded by the municipality. In such a case, the municipality can annex by an ordinance.
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