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Post by northsider on May 9, 2015 21:01:06 GMT -6
Northsider, quit trying to change the game. No one is denying the Climate is changing, it has since time began. It has spent MUCH time far warmer than we currently enjoy, and has had CO2 levels 20X what we currently have. All before man was around. YOU are the one scrambling to bullcrap people about how man is causing it. Why do your "experts" always stop at the year 1880? Did you look at the NASA link I provided? They have data that goes back way before 1880. The CO2 levels are measured back 650000 years, and they have never been close to the levels on the atmosphere today. Can I expect a source from you anytime soon backing up your position or are you embarrassed to reveal them. Im not trying to change the game just asking for the source of your information. |
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Post by toshiko on May 9, 2015 22:27:41 GMT -6
Gosh, seems like alot of testosterone on this thread,lololololol  |
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Post by Blue Star on May 10, 2015 11:07:06 GMT -6
$70.000 A YEAR IF THAT for most engineers, not a nuclear engineer though, they bring home much more. I thiught you were wrong about $70K a year for an engineer. I did some Googling. It is actually close to the low end ($63K) for a starting electrical engineer. My brother was an Aerospace Engineer. They are listed at $150K a year. My bro never told how much he made and I never asked. My guess that w/ his gov. security clearance, he made a bit more. I know that one company that wanted to hire him away from another, moved his car from D.C to L.A.by rail. I think his last gig was Northup-Gummon. Maybe defense Engineers make more money? No matter. He is giving all of his estate to his Engineering school. (Wish he would give some to his younger brother back home in Streator) Actually engineers make < than tradesmen/women @ Nuke plants! |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on May 10, 2015 11:35:32 GMT -6
Sorry Snipe, SCIENCE is not a political issue. g It has become almost PURE politics since the Government now funds it. That's not a guess either. |
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Post by roman on May 10, 2015 11:36:53 GMT -6
Do you have any resources that disproves that climate change is being affected by mankind that we can study? My curiosity is peaked. Your fears are unfounded. Worry ye not. Mankind cannot hurt the earth. Proof? You want proof? I'll give you unassailable proof. "One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4) |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on May 10, 2015 11:37:52 GMT -6
The Earth will always cleans itself in different way's, however, they found out they could make money off of it and started to go over board. Not saying that people don't play some roll in all this, because we do. yea, amazing how TAXES are always the solution, not FLYING less........ But that's OK, Americans deserve to freeze their asses off in teh winter so Obama can put 63,000 gallons of jet fuel thru AF1 to play a round of golf. |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on May 10, 2015 11:42:48 GMT -6
Northsider, quit trying to change the game. No one is denying the Climate is changing, it has since time began. It has spent MUCH time far warmer than we currently enjoy, and has had CO2 levels 20X what we currently have. All before man was around. YOU are the one scrambling to bullcrap people about how man is causing it. Why do your "experts" always stop at the year 1880? Did you look at the NASA link I provided? They have data that goes back way before 1880. The CO2 levels are measured back 650000 years, and they have never been close to the levels on the atmosphere today. Can I expect a source from you anytime soon backing up your position or are you embarrassed to reveal them. Im not trying to change the game just asking for the source of your information. Gee, really difficult.................  www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/01/co2_fairytales_in_global_warmi.html wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/04/dr-vincent-gray-on-historical-carbon-dioxide-levels/ |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on May 10, 2015 11:44:31 GMT -6
Actually engineers make < than tradesmen/women @ Nuke plants! Yep, especially if you add in the cost of getting that degree........ You turn upside down real quick. BTW, looks like she will get that job, so we will be on soon. |
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Post by roman on May 10, 2015 12:37:07 GMT -6
Obtaining a law degree, A CPA certificate, an MBA or a degree in Engineering is no sinicure. Law schools have been producing far too many lawyers for years. While most graduates from Tier 1 law schools still have very little difficulty in landing high paying jobs, nearly half of the graduates from Tier 2 and 3 law schools are finding it very difficult to find any type of job. Even when they find a job, it is often a low paying government job. In recent years, there has been a proliferation of schools awarding MBAs. Many of these degree are worthless. Only the graduates from the long-time top MBA schools are finding jobs. Engineering is a special case. For many years, engineering graduates garnered the highest starting salaries. However, salaries for those who are purely engineers reach a salary plateau. As a result, many engineers move into management. Our son-in-law decided long ago that he wanted to be an engineer rather than a manager. He almost left Chrysler a couple of years ago. Luckily for him, Sergio Marchionne made him an offer he could not refuse. In addition to a very large raise, he offered to personally finance the upgrade of Ken's race car. Sergio likes both engineers and race cars. The pent house in Chrysler's World Headquarters, the traditional spot for the CEO, is now empty. His office is on the same floor as the engineers.  |
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Post by dumdave on May 10, 2015 13:49:01 GMT -6
I was in pre law and about to graduate. I was kicking around the idea of borrowing money for law school. Then I saw a news article on my counselor's door saying that there was an opening for a lawyer in NYC who had passed the Bar Exam. 12,000 qualified people made application. RUT ROW! I put my carpenter's belt back on and went to work. Took me 20 mins to find a job.
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Post by chevypower on May 10, 2015 13:57:07 GMT -6
Actually engineers make < than tradesmen/women @ Nuke plants! Yep, especially if you add in the cost of getting that degree........ You turn upside down real quick. BTW, looks like she will get that job, so we will be on soon. Have a friend who works at Braidwood, and She was bringing Home way over $140.000 a year and that was back in the 90s she is a nuclear Engineer. And yea, Her college cost a ton of money. |
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Post by roman on May 10, 2015 14:33:17 GMT -6
I was in pre law and about to graduate. I was kicking around the idea of borrowing money for law school. Then I saw a news article on my counselor's door saying that there was an opening for a lawyer in NYC who had passed the Bar Exam. 12,000 qualified people made application. RUT ROW! I put my carpenter's belt back on and went to work. Took me 20 mins to find a job. Most of those 12,000 were probably slugs. We used to receive at least 200 unsolicited resumes a year. Almost all of those hopefuls were in the bottom half of their class. |
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Post by chevypower on May 10, 2015 17:55:40 GMT -6
True, a good GPA means everything.
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Post by chevypower on May 10, 2015 18:22:04 GMT -6
I know a few people who Graduated that had a 2.5 and they wonder why they can't get work in their field. If you cant hold at least a B then save your money.
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Post by roman on May 10, 2015 20:12:34 GMT -6
It is a different time today. When I was growing up in Streator, a number of my friends dropped out of high school to work in Owens, Thatchers, Anthonys, the Brickyard or the Drain Tile. In no time, they were driving nice cars and making nearly as much as their fathers. Some of them were bright enough to have gone to college, but the salaries in the local factories were quite good. Also, most of us knew very few people who had gone to college; and the ones we knew tended to be teachers, doctors or "clergymen." None of those occupations seemed either interesting (teachers or preachers) or within our intellectual grasp. (doctors). At one time, I had aspirations to become a bricklayer. One summer,working as a hodcarrier's stooge helped me to see the light. Saturdays, school "holidays," and summers at the Drain Tile made me really see the light. I became serious about school my final year in high school.
In the fullness of time, I realized that growing up in Streator was a major reason why I was able to achieve some degree of success in my line of work. I was a "management" lawyer in labor relations, and most management lawyers tend to be stiff, condescending types from affluent suburbs. Unions have a net work and a data base rivaling the CIA. In no time, most of the unions I dealt with knew that I had held a union "card," and that I came from a union town. There is no way that you can imagine how much my background and early experiences in Streator helped me in my career.
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