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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 21, 2015 22:09:15 GMT -6
The point that I was trying to make is that maybe dog should just mind his own business. I have every right to talk about the positive changes that I want for my community. Just because he doesn't want to hear what I have to say is absolutely no reason why I should walk away from my investment here and default on loans. If he doesn't want to hear what I have to say and doesn't have the self control to just not read it, that is his problem, not mine. I have not said you dont have the right to talk about positive changes. I stated many reasons why you should walk away, silencing you is NOT one of them. It saddens me that people who used to view you as a positive influence in Streator, consider you a negative influnce now. People raved about how good of a job you did at the Majestic. They felt bad for you when you basically got kicked out of the Majestic. People said you were good for the community.Now they think of you as a whiner and trouble maker. I try to get you to change your approach to create positive change and rebuild your reputation, but you continue on the same path. Maybe then you should really explain why you think I should not live up to my obligations, burn a bank on a loan, destroy my credit, and just walk away from all of my investment here. You mentioned something about it being the best thing for me financially, but how could you possibly expect to know what is best for me financially. That is a ridiculous suggestion. If it were really anyone else's business how much I have invested into my building and how low my payments are, I really don't think any reasonable person would see walking away as being the best thing financially. You mentioned my not liking the way the City is run as a reason, but that is ridiculous as well. Not liking the way our government that is supposed to be "for the people" is run, is certainly not a reason to walk away from an investment. As I've told you many times, I am using my Constitutional Rights to keep asking for the changes that I want. Haven't you seen some changes happening here? How would it make any sense to just walk away now that we are getting some of the positive changes that I've been asking for? Yes, I do know of some of the BS reasons that you gave for me to just walk away, but did you give any sensible reason why I should walk away form everything that I have invested here and the positive progress that I have been asking for? If the reason for you to be pushing so hard for me to just walk away was not so that you wouldn't have to hear what I talk about (subjects that you have talked against for years), why do you keep talking about it? Seriously, is there a sensible reason why I should walk away or do you try to encourage everyone to walk away from Streator? Are you sure that people raved about what I did at the Majestic? According to Willy, our City had thought that it was obvious that my family was breaking laws here and were talking about us being illegal behind our backs. They obviously didn't think we were any positive influence or good for the community and clearly did not want us here. Of course our City leaders and their supporters would think I am a trouble maker and a whiner; that is because I have been talking about what they do. If they weren't doing things that they weren't proud of, they shouldn't have any problem with my talking about what they do. I am really not interested in trying to rebuild any reputation with those people. I see no reason why I should care at all what the type of people who would rather see some grown man urinate in public than something positive for our community think of me. As I've already explained, I will not be walking away so you might as well walk away from the idea. Being optimistic that positive changes are on their way, I will keep asking for more changes and be patient for better results here. No, I will not change my approach since it seems to be the only way to get the results that I want here. Maybe you should change your approach and move on.
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Post by dog on Apr 22, 2015 6:54:29 GMT -6
There were a lot of people who did like his store. It was voted Second Best Resale Shop by the Times readers. Was this before, or after he was publically declared illegal?
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Post by dog on Apr 22, 2015 7:04:30 GMT -6
I have not said you dont have the right to talk about positive changes. I stated many reasons why you should walk away, silencing you is NOT one of them. It saddens me that people who used to view you as a positive influence in Streator, consider you a negative influnce now. People raved about how good of a job you did at the Majestic. They felt bad for you when you basically got kicked out of the Majestic. People said you were good for the community.Now they think of you as a whiner and trouble maker. I try to get you to change your approach to create positive change and rebuild your reputation, but you continue on the same path. Maybe then you should really explain why you think I should not live up to my obligations, burn a bank on a loan, destroy my credit, and just walk away from all of my investment here. You mentioned something about it being the best thing for me financially, but how could you possibly expect to know what is best for me financially. That is a ridiculous suggestion. If it were really anyone else's business how much I have invested into my building and how low my payments are, I really don't think any reasonable person would see walking away as being the best thing financially. You mentioned my not liking the way the City is run as a reason, but that is ridiculous as well. Not liking the way our government that is supposed to be "for the people" is run, is certainly not a reason to walk away from an investment. As I've told you many times, I am using my Constitutional Rights to keep asking for the changes that I want. Haven't you seen some changes happening here? How would it make any sense to just walk away now that we are getting some of the positive changes that I've been asking for? Yes, I do know of some of the BS reasons that you gave for me to just walk away, but did you give any sensible reason why I should walk away form everything that I have invested here and the positive progress that I have been asking for? If the reason for you to be pushing so hard for me to just walk away was not so that you wouldn't have to hear what I talk about (subjects that you have talked against for years), why do you keep talking about it? Seriously, is there a sensible reason why I should walk away or do you try to encourage everyone to walk away from Streator? Are you sure that people raved about what I did at the Majestic? According to Willy, our City had thought that it was obvious that my family was breaking laws here and were talking about us being illegal behind our backs. They obviously didn't think we were any positive influence or good for the community and clearly did not want us here. Of course our City leaders and their supporters would think I am a trouble maker and a whiner; that is because I have been talking about what they do. If they weren't doing things that they weren't proud of, they shouldn't have any problem with my talking about what they do. I am really not interested in trying to rebuild any reputation with those people. I see no reason why I should care at all what the type of people who would rather see some grown man urinate in public than something positive for our community think of me. As I've already explained, I will not be walking away so you might as well walk away from the idea. Being optimistic that positive changes are on their way, I will keep asking for more changes and be patient for better results here. No, I will not change my approach since it seems to be the only way to get the results that I want here. Maybe you should change your approach and move on. I just gave a suggestion. I do not know your personal financial situation, and I agree with you that it isn't morally right to walk away from a debt. If someone doesn't want to live here, doesn't work here, and is financially upside down in a property, it would make sense to consider the perfectly legal option of bankruptcy. If this isn't your circumstances, then doesnt consider it. Yes, I am sure that people raved about you, just like now I am sure that people call you a whiner. I heard both with my own two ears. I have heard it when I have suggested that people try Flips, if they were looking for something. I have no idea if these people who say that, are supporters of our city leaders or not. If your family doesn't want to live here, and you don't have a job or business here, what other than a financial obligation, personally makes you want to live here?
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Post by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2015 8:13:00 GMT -6
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Post by dog on Apr 22, 2015 9:08:03 GMT -6
It still seemed like your son had the support of the community AFTER being declared illegal, contrary to your statements that business fell off and people didn't want to do business with someone who was allegedly illegal. Would you care to give your opinion concerning this Kyle?
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Post by helencrump on Apr 22, 2015 12:12:51 GMT -6
From the people who have discussed it when i was present, they stated that after hearing Kyle continuously rant, they either stopped going in, or those that said hadnt been in, but had intentions of checking it out, decided they werent going to give him their business. There's also been a few who have said the same on here. SO members have mentioned to kyle that it wwas kyle himself that was hurting Flips. What i find ironic is that he feels the blanket statement that some residents were living in the business district illegally hurt his sons business, but he sees no problem in trying to spread that news across the www (WORLD wide web) and publically calling potential shoppers liars, advocates of violece public urination and public intoxication. After reading the effect his campaign against the other theater in Flagstaff, im surprised he was able to last there as long as he did. Makes me wonder if he's already alienated the community he's living in now.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Apr 22, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -6
He has no issue with his business, yours on the other hand was horrible, you charged for a pill box, the same one you can get free at streator drugs, your store stunk, it had a horrible smell and The prices you wanted were insane, I got a brand new dresser at curleys for the same price you wanted for a beat up piece of junk, second hand stores are for the poor, ya you weren't even in that realm! I didn't run a retail store. Does it make you feel good to attack my son's business because you don't like to hear me talk about the positive changes that I want for my community? I really doubt that you would have liked his business no matter how low his prices were, considering that he wasn't going to allow you to watch grown men urinate in there. There were a lot of people who did like his store. It was voted Second Best Resale Shop by the Times readers. He wasn't trying to have it be a typical second hand store catering to the poor. He would get many people trying to drop off the trash left over from their yard sales, etc.(maybe Capncrunch/emachines will tell what they tried bringing in for him to sell), but was trying to encourage his consignors to bring items that still had value to make it more upscale. Many people did find some good name brand clothing that they were happy to pay his prices for. If you wanted a store catering to the poor, maybe you should have shopped somewhere else. If you think you have a better business model, then there are many, many vacancies here for you to show how you can run a store for the poor. He had no problem making the business work, was paying his bills and making profit. The reason that he left was not because the business that he built could not make it, he just did not want to stay in a place where the City leaders declared business owners illegal for doing what the City recommended without giving them their rights, where they selectively enforced overly restrictive ordinances, and where business was stopped with a requirement that does not even follow our laws. Although his business was still doing well enough to pay the bills, seeing how negatively their illegal declaration impacted his sales figures, the feeling that he should be doing better and would be if he weren't in such a vindictive City really destroyed his desire to stay here. After he left, he did keep the store open for quite a while, but it became increasingly more of a hassle to run from a far. The point that I was trying to make is that maybe dog should just mind his own business. I have every right to talk about the positive changes that I want for my community. Just because he doesn't want to hear what I have to say is absolutely no reason why I should walk away from my investment here and default on loans. If he doesn't want to hear what I have to say and doesn't have the self control to just not read it, that is his problem, not mine. No I didn't want a store that catered to the poor, I am far from poor, what I am is frugal....when I can go get a brand new dresser for the same price as a used I will definitely go for new, the point of a resale shop is that it is second hand thus it is cheaper! I am not attacking your son, it isn't your son attacking the very town that was paying his bills, that would be you, you ruined your sons business with your constant outcries of injustice! Just so you know I was once one of your supporters, I thought you were refreshing and had a great attitude, you yourself ruined that with the constant poor me rhetoric! By the way it is dogs business when you are trying to hurt the town he runs a business in because nobody bowed down to the great Kyle Mitchell he has every right to be a tad annoyed at you!
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Post by capncrunch on Apr 22, 2015 16:56:43 GMT -6
How do you know the old Med O King building is vacant? Perhaps it is just no longer used the way it was previously. It looks like it is being maintained. Perhaps it's just now some kind of 'private use'. (storage or what have you) Yes. It very well could be used for "private use"
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Post by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2015 18:50:38 GMT -6
From the people who have discussed it when i was present, they stated that after hearing Kyle continuously rant, they either stopped going in, or those that said hadnt been in, but had intentions of checking it out, decided they werent going to give him their business. There's also been a few who have said the same on here. SO members have mentioned to kyle that it wwas kyle himself that was hurting Flips. What i find ironic is that he feels the blanket statement that some residents were living in the business district illegally hurt his sons business, but he sees no problem in trying to spread that news across the www (WORLD wide web) and publically calling potential shoppers liars, advocates of violece public urination and public intoxication. After reading the effect his campaign against the other theater in Flagstaff, im surprised he was able to last there as long as he did. Makes me wonder if he's already alienated the community he's living in now. Exactly. That's why I refused to go there anymore. It had nothing to do with the City declaring anybody illegal. I decided not to go back because of Kyle's actions and constant putdowns of all of us and the City here on the SO.
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Post by mommytoo4 on Apr 22, 2015 19:10:52 GMT -6
I didn't even know the city "declared him illegal" until he made a big deal out of it
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Post by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2015 6:12:38 GMT -6
I didn't even know the city "declared him illegal" until he made a big deal out of it Me either. Nor did I think anything of it. Most reasonable people knew they were addressing the complaints of naked babies crawling around in storefronts, etc. Not the people living above their businesses. People have been renting apartments above business in downtown Streator forever. It was the storeFRONT dwellers that were the problem.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 23, 2015 11:23:47 GMT -6
I just gave a suggestion. I do not know your personal financial situation Walking away from my investments in Streator is something that has been suggested many times on here. I have said many times that I will not do that and that I can not afford to do that. Haven't I? I think in your case, it would be the best thing for you to do financially. Knowing that I have already said many times that I can not afford to just walk away, you still said that you think it would be the best thing for me financially. It seems that it is more than just a suggestion, but something that you are pushing hard for, even after I tell you that it is not going to happen. It also seems like you do feel that you know my personal financial situation, over what I tell you to the contrary. If someone doesn't want to live here, doesn't work here, and is financially upside down in a property, it would make sense to consider the perfectly legal option of bankruptcy. If this isn't your circumstances, then doesnt consider it. You already know that I do work in Ottawa. I have also said many times that I still have a residence in Streator. What is upside down? Does 220 E. Main St. have any positive value or is it just a liability? Obviously taxpayers have invested money into that building. Why doesn't the City just sell it, to get the taxpayers their investment back? Is that what you call upside down? As I have been saying, keeping buildings vacant with requirements that do not follow our laws, overly restrictive ordinances, and their threat of $750.00 daily fines is what they used to turn the real estate market here upside down and lower prices so much that many people have been forced to be "upside down" and will not get their investments into our community back until our City leaders do things differently and provide better results. Yes, I am sure that people raved about you, just like now I am sure that people call you a whiner. That's fine, they can call me a whiner, I call it asking for positive changes for our community. I have no idea if these people who say that, are supporters of our city leaders or not. I would consider them likely supporters of our City leaders or supporters of our bar owners. I talk to plenty of people who are in support of positive changes here and do think that our City leaders should start doing things differently.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 23, 2015 11:25:55 GMT -6
It still seemed like your son had the support of the community AFTER being declared illegal, contrary to your statements that business fell off and people didn't want to do business with someone who was allegedly illegal. Would you care to give your opinion concerning this Kyle? You do realize that people voting in a newspaper contest, although could show that many people do like your business model, does not necessarily translate to increased sales figures and certainly doesn't say that business couldn't be better, don't you? The sales figures clearly indicate that their illegal declaration did have a very noticeable negative impact on his business. Can you say for sure that his business wouldn't have been voted #1 if the City had not declared him an illegal business owner? Wouldn't it be very likely that a business owner, who saw a sharp decrease in sales figures immediately after being declared an illegal business owner, would have to wonder if his business would ever be as good as it could have, if he had not been declared illegal? What is your goal here? Are you trying to justify our City leaders denying business owner's their Constitutional Rights so that they can feel good about continuing to destroy other business owners' credibility with the community well into the future? My opinion is that it is wrong for our City leaders to not honor peoples' rights and to be so vindictive towards businesses.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 23, 2015 11:28:06 GMT -6
No I didn't want a store that catered to the poor Here you are talking crap because his business model didn't fit your idea of what you thought it should be. It sure seems like you wanted a store that caters to the poor. second hand stores are for the poor, ya you weren't even in that realm! There are plenty of vacant buildings here, since you have so much crap to talk about those who do invest their time and money here, why don't you just open the store that you want? I am not attacking your son, it isn't your son attacking the very town that was paying his bills, that would be you, you ruined your sons business with your constant outcries of injustice! Just so you know I was once one of your supporters, I thought you were refreshing and had a great attitude, you yourself ruined that with the constant poor me rhetoric! Yes, it is a shame that just asking for better for your community can alienate some people. That is fine though, I'm not really interested in having supporters who would rather see some guy urinate than to see something positive for our community. By the way it is dogs business when you are trying to hurt the town he runs a business in because nobody bowed down to the great Kyle Mitchell he has every right to be a tad annoyed at you! Do you think so? I happen to think that people who say they would rather see some guy urinate than see something positive for our community are hurting a town where I have a business. Does that entitle me to to put my nose into your personal financial affairs? You and dog may feel that I am hurting our community by talking about not wanting to have so many people pull their pants down in the middle of our streets to urinate, but I don't. I see the changes that I have asked for as being very good for Streator. I am glad that you see it as I do though, that the reason dog is poking his nose into my business and pushing for me to walk away form my investments and obligations is just because he does not like to hear about the positive changes I want.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Apr 23, 2015 11:30:35 GMT -6
From the people who have discussed it when i was present, they stated that after hearing Kyle continuously rant, they either stopped going in, or those that said hadnt been in, but had intentions of checking it out, decided they werent going to give him their business. There's also been a few who have said the same on here. SO members have mentioned to kyle that it wwas kyle himself that was hurting Flips. What i find ironic is that he feels the blanket statement that some residents were living in the business district illegally hurt his sons business, but he sees no problem in trying to spread that news across the www (WORLD wide web) and publically calling potential shoppers liars, advocates of violece public urination and public intoxication. After reading the effect his campaign against the other theater in Flagstaff, im surprised he was able to last there as long as he did. Makes me wonder if he's already alienated the community he's living in now. Gee helen, don't you think that I already knew that being more public about the way that the City treated my family would alienate some people? Do you think that it could be possible that by the time I started talking so much about the problems that drove my family away, that decisions were already made that they were not going to stay here? Did you know that my son had already left before the store's 2nd best award? After he left, we weren't keeping it open for the money coming in from it, and already had work that we were more interested in doing. We were keeping it open so that it would be one less vacant store front in Streator. It just became more and more of a hassle to keep it open though. Do you think that without anyone wanting to run the business and not needing the income from it, maybe I thought that alienating some of the people who like seeing men urinate in the streets by asking for positive changes wasn't really a terrible thing and that getting some positive results could make it worth it? What do you know about Flagstaff and my campaign against the theatre who violated laws to keep me from getting product? Did you know that that campaign didn't even start until near the end of my lease after the theatre was already scheduled to be redeveloped by the property owner? Did you know that I have petitions signed by over 5% of the community supporting our efforts to have laws followed so that competition might be able to exist in that market? Did you know that the City declared a Kyle & Cindy Mitchell Day in Flagstaff and presented us with a key to the City when our theatre closed? So without really knowing about the situation, what kind of crap are you trying to imply about my campaign in Flagstaff?
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