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Post by tjsrxpilot on Feb 27, 2015 13:01:41 GMT -6
When is John Boehner going to sue Obama? he said he was going to! but when? GOP and Tea Party is all talk and no action,you don't even hear 1 peep from any of the news networks not even FOX that i never watch! it will be funny if a Democrat wins in Nov. 2016 John and Mitch will crap there pants!
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Post by chevypower on Feb 27, 2015 13:29:01 GMT -6
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Post by dumdave on Feb 27, 2015 14:32:05 GMT -6
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Post by Blue Star on Feb 27, 2015 17:21:05 GMT -6
It's really a shame that many GOPs & DEMS say they love our country, but fail to fund it DD!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 27, 2015 17:35:02 GMT -6
It is also a shame that some idiots refuse to call illegal, illegal.
There is a bill that has passed the House, and is setting in the Senate, that fully funds all LEGAL DHS activities for the fiscal year.
Funny, no one seems to mention who is blocking that.
I do wonder why?
BTW, Dave, how many times could I ask you the same asinine question before you "kissed" me off?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 27, 2015 17:37:51 GMT -6
When is John Boehner going to sue Obama? he said he was going to! but when? GOP and Tea Party is all talk and no action,you don't even hear 1 peep from any of the news networks not even FOX that i never watch! it will be funny if a Democrat wins in Nov. 2016 John and Mitch will crap there pants! When? Isn't going to happen, neither have the communication skills necessary to imbed the information into the "Facebook" mentality that is the USA. When you have 100 percent blatantly ILLEGAL activities abounding, and cannot make America aware of the breakdown in the rule of law, you have lost. It really doesn't matter who wins the elections, we have mo rule of law to keep this country afloat.
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Post by roman on Feb 27, 2015 18:48:34 GMT -6
It is sad to see how far we have come as a nation, and even sadder to see our leaders today. With a population of about the population of Chicago today, in 1887 the young nation produced a group of guys of differing views on government who slapped together the Constitution over one hot summer.
With our massive population, why can't we match the following lineup? John D i c k ins, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Gouverneur Morris, Robert Morris, Charles Pinckney, Edmund Randolf, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney,John Rutledge, and George Washington,
Jefferson was not there. As I used to tell my students: "[h]e was over abroad in Paris."
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Feb 27, 2015 20:47:13 GMT -6
It is sad to see how far we have come as a nation, and even sadder to see our leaders today. With a population of about the population of Chicago today, in 1887 the young nation produced a group of guys of differing views on government who slapped together the Constitution over one hot summer. With our massive population, why can't we match the following lineup? John D i c k ins, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Gouverneur Morris, Robert Morris, Charles Pinckney, Edmund Randolf, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney,John Rutledge, and George Washington, Jefferson was not there. As I used to tell my students: "[h]e was over abroad in Paris." Because today we have a media complex making sure those guys are labelled right wing extremists. And the band played on.
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Post by Blue Star on Feb 27, 2015 21:44:56 GMT -6
And left wing liberals. Neither the same as years past.
The illegals & no DHS results are so linked. Why aren't the borders secured? Why do we want the illegals, when many cause & are involved in crime?
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Post by roman on Feb 28, 2015 7:33:19 GMT -6
How would these guys do today? Jefferson had a weak voice. He would have someone read his state of the Union address. Also, the Sally Hemmngs issue would make Bill Clinton look like a saint. John Adams was a real porker. Lincoln had a high pitched voice with a Kentucky accent. He also had gawky arm movements when he spoke. Jackson's vile temper wouldn't play well today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 8:02:56 GMT -6
How would these guys do today? Jefferson had a weak voice. He would have someone read his state of the Union address. Also, the Sally Hemmngs issue would make Bill Clinton look like a saint. John Adams was a real porker. Lincoln had a high pitched voice with a Kentucky accent. He also had gawky arm movements when he spoke. Jackson's vile temper wouldn't play well today. But they were real,not the made for TV and media players of today.. And people voted on real issues not the ones given to us in soundbites today just to sway our attention from whats really going on..
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Post by roman on Feb 28, 2015 9:23:48 GMT -6
35 of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention were either lawyers or had trained to be a lawyer. Although Jefferson wasn't there, he was also a lawyer.
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Post by roman on Feb 28, 2015 11:03:51 GMT -6
At the time Lincoln became a lawyer, the Illinois statutes were about the length of a comic book. There were no administrative agencies and federal law rarely arose in state courts. Constitutional law issues were nearly non-existent. Most of the law was English Common Law: assault, battery, conversion, mixed and confused goods, lost goods, etc. Criminal law was mostly governed by common law.
Like other aspiring lawyers, Lincoln studied Grey's and Blackstone's commentaries on the Common Law. He didn't merely pop over to the Supreme Court and pick up a license like he would pick up a fishing license. He was examined by the Court.
Contrary to popular myth, he did not handle only simple country law suits. For example, he represented the Illinois Central Railroad, one of my old firm's clients. In fact, the in-house counsel for the IC today has a framed, long-hand legal bill from Lincoln: $15. If you look through the Illinois Reports in the early 1850s, you will see that Lincoln handled a large percentage of the cases argued before the court.
Most lawyers in the 19th century "read law" to become a lawyer. In other words, they worked as an apprentice for a lawyer. When I became a lawyer, there was still one woman around who had become a lawyer by reading law.
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Post by dumdave on Feb 28, 2015 11:11:25 GMT -6
There were also many men of faith, some even preachers. I think there were more 'Renescience Men' back then. People with multiple talents and training, even if it was self-taught(like even in Lincoln's day of being an Attorney). Less specialization and broader knowledge. You would not get something as sensible, concise and eloquent as our Declaration of Independence out of a room full of Lawyers today. Today if 3 words will do, they will use 30 and constructed using legal terms that most laypeople can't comprehend the meaning. Ben Franklin was America's embassadors along with Adams and Jefferson during the Revolutionary War. They lived almost all the time in Paris. Adams could not speak French and really did not have much to do. Jefferson went on a shopping binge , including buying furniture and a bunch of books and sent them home. Franklin spoke fluent French and made full use of the French Salons and even at 80 years of life, was quite the dandy with the women! WTG Ben!
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Post by roman on Feb 28, 2015 11:40:51 GMT -6
I think a guy named McClelan was a principle in the IC. Like General McClenan, General of the Army of the Potomac. Evidently someone was impressed by how well he ran a RR and thought he could do the same for the Union Army(maybe it was Lincoln himself. It was interesting to see that they likely knew each other prior to the war while Lincoln was legal counsel for the IC. McClellan was first and foremost a professional soldier: West Point grad, West Point teacher, Mexican War, etc. He ran the IC only for a short time just before the war. The assumption was that he would be good at logistics and that he understood the science of war.
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