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Post by itzbobagin on Jan 24, 2015 13:03:33 GMT -6
Just a thought, maybe the outcome might have been different had a C.C.L. person been on the scene when this was going down,.....but then maybe it was one of those "Gun-Free" zones, where only the criminals can bring guns in?? No disrespect to the police, but many times the saying is true: "When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes"
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Post by itzbobagin on Jan 24, 2015 15:36:40 GMT -6
Well neither one of us know the facts about this one yet, but I DO know You can present your weapon if You can see that a felony is being committed. There is such a thing as making a "citizen arrest". Just because you present your weapon doesn't mean you HAVE to fire it, does it? Yes you DO have to keep your wits about you. In certain scenarios you can decide to NOT do anything and hope the perpetrator does not have a weapon, but do you feel Lucky??
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Post by Blue Star on Jan 24, 2015 15:50:01 GMT -6
From what people are saying here, no gun was shown. Not an 'armed robbery' was it? According to CC training, you don't pull your weapon if you don't feel threatened. A robbery is scary for sure, but you really have to keep your head on straight and keep your wits about you. Sure do & many either haven't had the training or hear what they want to hear! This is WHY CCs are given a hard time, due to peeps that don't know the laws, and THAT'S what hits the media!
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Post by Fat Boy on Jan 24, 2015 16:32:41 GMT -6
Banks are "Gun Free" zones. Even if you have your CCP you are not allowed to carry it into a bank. Now, this being said, a criminal knows this so he feels relatively safe robbing a bank (or any other place that bans legal concealed handguns) knowing that there will be no law abiding citizen to shoot back! I believe that any business displaying the "No Guns" sign is asking to be robbed. The robber will feel safer robbing a business like that.
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Post by dog on Jan 24, 2015 16:48:16 GMT -6
Banks are "Gun Free" zones. Even if you have your CCP you are not allowed to carry it into a bank. Now, this being said, a criminal knows this so he feels relatively safe robbing a bank (or any other place that bans legal concealed handguns) knowing that there will be no law abiding citizen to shoot back! I believe that any business displaying the "No Guns" sign is asking to be robbed. The robber will feel safer robbing a business like that. Banks are NOT Gun Free zones. They have a choice to allow guns or not. That is why I pulled my money out of Streator Onized. They dont allow guns there.
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Post by dog on Jan 24, 2015 16:54:51 GMT -6
Well neither one of us know the facts about this one yet, but I DO know You can present your weapon if You can see that a felony is being committed. There is such a thing as making a "citizen arrest". Just because you present your weapon doesn't mean you HAVE to fire it, does it? Yes you DO have to keep your wits about you. In certain scenarios you can decide to NOT do anything and hope the perpetrator does not have a weapon, but do you feel Lucky?? You need to be careful or else you could be charged with brandishing a weapon.
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Post by Fat Boy on Jan 24, 2015 17:10:35 GMT -6
You are right dog. I guess that since I saw the sign, I assumed all banks were "gun free". I have to brush up on the "Prohibited areas". So Streator Onized is sending the message to robbers that they are safe robbing there. They will not be confronted by a law abiding, gun carrying citizen that may shoot back.
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Post by angelsamongus on Jan 24, 2015 17:46:26 GMT -6
This is the first I've read about this, I don't have the time frame this happened. With what I'm reading, I'm assuming this took place during business hours.
First and utmost; Thank God no one was hurt or worse.
Most banks have hidden ways to alert a robbery in progress.
Being the location of SCCU, I have to wonder if they are not equipt with this system, they don't have multiple locations behind the counter, or if they were understaffed at the time. This is an error on multiple banks security.
In my opinion, that seems to be a pretty braizen location to pull off a robbery and get away
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Post by itzbobagin on Jan 24, 2015 18:29:54 GMT -6
Thanks for all the input. As for "masked Man" I suggest you refer to the "Illinois compiled Statutes" criminal code 2012 720 ILCS 5 / Article 7 "Justifiable use of force" As for you're comment "You are not the Law" I fully realize that, and that is why I check the laws carefully in my state and others, concerning concealed carry. Your statement of retreating to a "safe" place in the home before using a weapon is not stated in the law. You have a right to defend yourself against anyone who enters your home by force and who "you believe will do great bodily harm to yourself or others". You may want to use a lot of caution, which I understand, but sometimes hesitation, and "thinking too long" about a life-or-death situation can GET YOU KILLED. It's one of the lessons I learned in Viet Nam.
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Post by greekgod on Jan 24, 2015 22:10:59 GMT -6
Wow, I feel safer knowing how all those registered to carry concealed weapons understand the LAW! g
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Post by ~MnM~ on Jan 24, 2015 23:59:14 GMT -6
Wow, I feel safer knowing how all those registered to carry concealed weapons understand the LAW! g Oiy G..I just shutter at the thought of things to come, as if things weren't bad enough. Alot of irresponsible gun owners can apply for the CC, doesn't make them infallible though, or anyone safe though because OF! Case in point the young woman killed by her 2 year old in a Walmart!! Scary, if you ask me. M
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Post by rocket on Jan 25, 2015 9:29:36 GMT -6
No weapons displayed or mentioned,so what kept the employees and customers from taking action In jumping this person and beating the crap out of him then wait for police to come to arrest him?
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Post by dog on Jan 25, 2015 9:53:30 GMT -6
No weapons displayed or mentioned,so what kept the employees and customers from taking action In jumping this person and beating the crap out of him then wait for police to come to arrest him? Well, probably like many other businesses, company policy would be to comply with the demands and not resist. He probably didn't make his intentions known to anyone other than the teller, or he might have waited until the lobby was empty of customers before he made his move, so he wouldn't have to worry about customers getting involved.
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Post by cityslicker on Jan 25, 2015 10:26:51 GMT -6
One can only note, that the recent felony crimes that have been unsolved in town,recently, have been by, the up and coming trash that the dumbacrats solicit for votes. The chief dumbacrat ,wants to make more illegal aliens, permanent citizens. Not saying this criminal was illegal, but there are millions, that are. Let's stop the Section 8 housing and free ride for the illegals,white trash and n+ggers. Crime + trash = problems It is apparent the chief, cannot handle the job, call in the state police!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 11:22:31 GMT -6
No one is stopping you from buying up a few homes that are currently Section 8 and doing with them as you wish. It is a bit of a problem when housing values plummet and programs like Section 8 exist. The profit potential is too great for people to resist. Does anyone know, isn't Section 8 actually supposed to be for 'better renters'? Isn't it something that is a step up from the projects? We have neighbors that are section 8. Young, unwed couple that have two kids. The women works at one of the call centers here in town. The guy does not work. I see all the time that the guys mother and grandmother are constantly handing him money and bringing him personal items like toilet paper, groceries, ect. The women has the medical card and link. But the guy is not able to receive them for what ever his excuse is. The landlord is a slum landlord. Does not want to do anything to the house. And the guy will not go to work. As long as mommy and his grandmother continues to hand him everything he will not go to work. When you have people like my neighbors that is what bothers me when people are on section 8, medical card or link. Is when they have no intention of trying to get of the system.
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