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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 3:59:26 GMT -6
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Post by roman on Jan 8, 2015 5:43:44 GMT -6
Whatever he said, it must have been particularly strong. Since the Scoville and Pickering cases, I can't remember any cases where a teacher was successfully was fired for what he said.
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Post by helencrump on Jan 8, 2015 16:29:29 GMT -6
Shouldn't anything he says during a union meeting be free of reprisal?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Jan 8, 2015 17:52:04 GMT -6
Shouldn't anything he says during a union meeting be free of reprisal? That depends on which side he was goring. Both sides use the same tactics to keep their members in line.
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Post by roman on Jan 8, 2015 19:33:17 GMT -6
There is no way the board can keep his utterances secret forever. If he is fired, he is entitled to a bill of particulars; and the board has to approve the bill of particulars in an open meeting. If the board's lawyer says otherwise, someone should submit a FOIA request.
Actually, there is a way that the teacher's statements could be kept from the public. I doubt that either the IEA guy or the board's attorney knows how to use the method I once used. I will explain what I mean after the dust settles.
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Post by toshiko on Jan 9, 2015 11:07:18 GMT -6
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Post by toshiko on Jan 9, 2015 12:05:44 GMT -6
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Post by roman on Jan 9, 2015 12:13:50 GMT -6
We are staying in a motel with a weak internet connection and could not hear what was being said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 17:54:17 GMT -6
There is no way the board can keep his utterances secret forever. If he is fired, he is entitled to a bill of particulars; and the board has to approve the bill of particulars in an open meeting. If the board's lawyer says otherwise, someone should submit a FOIA request. Actually, there is a way that the teacher's statements could be kept from the public. I doubt that either the IEA guy or the board's attorney knows how to use the method I once used. I will explain what I mean after the dust settles. His November 6 union meeting comments and 4 previous disciplinary actions "wrote checks" his lousy Uniserv union lawyer couldn't cash.
www.mywebtimes.com/news/local/oths-board-fires--year-teacher-coach-burgess/article_ae05d3d6-83d8-5765-bd48-0ceca319650c.html
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Post by roman on Jan 9, 2015 18:16:41 GMT -6
Although I was never impressed with the IEA' s lawyers, what I have read suggests a weak case for the Board. My opinion may change if the local newspaper has the guts to print the bill of particulars. Firing a tenured teacher in Illinois is very difficult.
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Post by helencrump on Jan 9, 2015 18:30:30 GMT -6
Whatever he said, it must have been particularly strong. Since the Scoville and Pickering cases, I can't remember any cases where a teacher was successfully was fired for what he said. I guess i was thinking he spoke out against a policy or something. Not that he's an over grown bully who uses insults, verbal abuse and intimidation rather than intelect to make his points. Sadly he had so many backing him up
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Post by willy on Jan 9, 2015 18:58:36 GMT -6
I would be very surprised if he loses his job. Sometimes a board may think they have all power to do anything. People have rights, especially tenured ones. Most union contraacts have a grievance procedure that somewhere will say that all discipline shall be progressive and corrective. Most will call for a oral reprimand, followed by written reprimand, suspension and finally discharge. Unless this guy has a lot of things in his file where he has been in trouble before, he'll probably keep his job. If it's really bad they may have to come up with a remediation plan and that could run into a couple of years. I'm with Roman, until and if all things come out, nobody will know.........It's possible he's done something bad enough to warrant dismissal, but generally a board will give the opportunity to resign rather than be fired. Some of you may remember he was the head basketball coach for a few years ago. It's unlikely he's getting whacked for something he said. With my 12 years on the high school board union members called me plenty of names and I never thought about going after any jobs. Hell, sometimes I may have had it coming. lol
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Post by helencrump on Jan 9, 2015 20:21:25 GMT -6
I thought it read that these remarks were made to his coworkers and that its been an ongoing issue, in which he's already been reprimanded. I thought the defense, was thats just his 'style' of behavior. Guess i will have to read it again.
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Post by helencrump on Jan 9, 2015 20:22:06 GMT -6
I thought it read that these remarks were made to his coworkers and that its been an ongoing issue, in which he's already been reprimanded. I thought the defense, was thats just his 'style' of behavior. Guess i will have to read it again.
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Post by willy on Jan 9, 2015 20:54:36 GMT -6
If he's a bully within the building that's a problem for the district. If he's a bully at his union meetings, that's a problem for the union to take care of. If he got into a fight at a union meeting, then that probably would become a civil matter. I just don't believe they would be firing him for something he said at a union meeting.
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