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Post by jimmyb on Dec 19, 2014 12:09:12 GMT -6
I agree, I dont want a tax raise either, just stating facts about the salaries. I don't like it when people put out incorrect numbers regarding salaries.
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Post by cityslicker on Dec 19, 2014 12:22:53 GMT -6
How do many years do the teachers have that make 70,80,90 thousand dollars. I know one is softball coach and makes a lot of money per year. I am sure her stipend is not that much.
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Post by jimmyb on Dec 19, 2014 13:23:36 GMT -6
You must be talking about the HS district. That is much different than the GS district. This discussion is about the Grade School District #44
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Dec 19, 2014 14:36:36 GMT -6
On another note, the problem is not as much about the salaries as it is with the retirement and benefits.
Probably 80 percent of them are making what they should on their check.
God forbid they should fund their own retirement.......
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Post by ironeagle on Dec 20, 2014 10:59:37 GMT -6
My cousin is Required by HER Contract to pay into her Retirement 10% out of her Salary into her Pension Fund plus SHE pays for HER HEALTHCARE unlike here where the DISTRICT does. So their Salary may say they are getting the same Money as here but she pays out of her Salary her Pension Contribution of this year she said something like a little over 4 grand and then another 2 grand for Health Insurance. So trust me she is NOT taking home the Same Amount as what our Teachers do here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 14:08:22 GMT -6
This is addressed primarily to Butterbean: It seems you subscribe to the theory that better paid Teachers yield better educated Children. I know there is some correlation to the level of Teacher pay and test score results. I think it could be pointed out that wealthier communities place a higher priority on their kid's education and demand more academic excellence from their kids. I think it has more to do with a mindset within the home and is impressed on the kids than it is a Teacher's salary. Do you really think if we paid our Teachers 20 percent yet MORE money our kid's test scores would go up even 5 percent? Conversely, if our Teachers were paid 20 percent less do you think scores would slip 5 percent? I don't. It would still be the same Teachers and the same Students. Now a 20 percent cut in wages would allow for a 10 percent increase in the number of teachers we employ. That would relieve some of the overcrowding in classrooms and still have a 10 percent savings to the district. That might yield some benefits. If more of our kids actually started applying themselves more and tried to learn I think we would see the biggest benefits. Is there any way we can add Administrative positions that can generate more money for funding our schools? I know cities can get various grants and funding if they apply for them and that takes someone to do it. It takes time and knowledge and someone to do the job. Will a 'Dean of Students' or some other 'extra' Administrator actually do anything to generate money or actually improve a Child's education? Nope, I don't subscribe to that "theory." Everything has the economic situation at it's core. The way we fund education is a terrible idiocy. No...I don't have a solution. Tell a new teacher here in 2014 that you are going to cut his/her 35K a year salary by 20%. Yeah...that's a plan.
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Post by jimmyb on Dec 20, 2014 16:12:07 GMT -6
Iron eagle, she only pays $2000 for insurance? That is cheaper than anyone I know
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Post by father of two on Dec 20, 2014 16:43:50 GMT -6
It would be nice to have a matching 401k retirement program available.
Streator teachers pay more than $2k a year for insurance.
Butterbean, do you consider $32,000 low for a starting wage? Would $4,000 less deter people from still applying? Lots of unemployed people out there, including college grads with teaching degrees.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 17:58:23 GMT -6
It would be nice to have a matching 401k retirement program available. Streator teachers pay more than $2k a year for insurance. Butterbean, do you consider $32,000 low for a starting wage? Would $4,000 less deter people from still applying? Lots of unemployed people out there, including college grads with teaching degrees. For a friggin college graduate in the year 2014!!!??
It's a GD slap in the face!!!!!!!!!!!!! These people who go into teaching do so because they want to make a difference in children's lives and accept these types of wages at the beginning...knowing that it get's better later. Also...it is predominately a profession for women, the same gender that has been fighting for workplace respect and fair compensation for a long time now. Just because high school graduates consider 32K big money...doesn't mean squat...except to OTHER high school graduates.
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Post by father of two on Dec 20, 2014 18:40:13 GMT -6
Hey, I'm just asking you. The board raised the starting wage about 6-9 years ago. It was met with opposition.
When applying for a job don't most people do a little research to see what the wage is before they take the position? I had people work for the city who complained they didn't make enough. I asked them if they knew what it paid when they took the job. They said yes. I told them to quit complaining,
Teachers have a tough time now with larger class sizes, new things like common core, paperwork required by the state. I would not consider cutting their wage. The better the starting wage the better the applicants are. I think we have a darn good group of teachers.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Dec 20, 2014 19:56:24 GMT -6
For a friggin college graduate in the year 2014!!!??
It's a GD slap in the face!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey BUTTERS, tell that to the countless thousands of other College graduates of the class of 2014 who DIDN'T get 32 K to start, much less the plum Insurance and Retirement bennies. I think we can see who is out of touch here............. If you want those wages, go to Chicago.
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Post by roman on Dec 20, 2014 20:15:55 GMT -6
Well prospective teachers can always go into the real world where they would:
1. Work 250 days a year; 2. Have no paid sick leave days; 3. Have no guaranteed annual raises; 4. Pay for their pensions; 5. Pay more than $2,000 a year for insurance; and 6. Get fired if they are not productive.
There is a reason why Federal Mediators call teachers whiners.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Dec 20, 2014 20:20:56 GMT -6
Well prospective teachers can always go into the real world where they would: 1. Work 250 days a year; 2. Have no paid sick leave days; 3. Have no guaranteed annual raises; 4. Pay for their pensions; 5. Pay more than $2,000 a year for insurance; and 5. Get fired if they are not productive. There is a reason why Federal Mediators call teachers whiners. You hate the "Chillens" too?
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Post by ironeagle on Dec 20, 2014 20:23:09 GMT -6
The 2K for her Insurance just for the first 4 Months of this school year. She got Married today and I know her Husband will be joining her on her Insurance and I can sure Imagine it will be going way up.
My Wife has a College Degree and would Kill for a Job that pays that hell the Most she has Made since she GOT OUT of College is only the 18 Grand she made this Year. I have multiple Cousins that have graduated from College in the last 7 years and NOT ONE has found a job in their Field but ONE and that is the one that got Married today. One became an Insurance Salesman one is a Dispatcher another became a Computer Programmer. However those where not their Chosen Fields. All where Lucky that their Parents had enough money to afford to send them through College.
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Post by homer34 on Dec 20, 2014 22:56:18 GMT -6
I always watch what I spend my money on as best I can so I can keep my head above water. Why can't the school system at least try to do the same instead o always asking for more? I understand the state encouraged them this time, but has happened way too often.im not going to get behin just because the system can't keep its head out of its own A S S!
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