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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 15, 2014 7:04:25 GMT -6
Is Violence Acceptable?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Dec 15, 2014 7:57:17 GMT -6
Kyle, what the heck are you talking about?
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Post by toshiko on Dec 15, 2014 8:34:30 GMT -6
Ok, I have yet to respond, to kyle or whomever. But, now this is getting a little stupid. I have not even read the other thread, and now this one. Come on! Isn't there a song out there? LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by father of two on Dec 15, 2014 8:55:34 GMT -6
No and it never should be unless you are defending yourself or family.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 15, 2014 8:57:48 GMT -6
If you had gone to school in Streator, you might have been treated like a Timex watch. About the Timex, I really do believe that somewhere and sometime in your growing up years, you probably needed a good oldbutttapping. And had you grown up in our town, somebody would have given it to you. Our former Councilman seems to think that violence is acceptable. I was just trying to see how others feel about it. I think that for a City leader to make such suggestions says a lot about our community. I have received many attacks for simply asking that we have less of it. I feel that something like how violence is viewed by our community, particularly by our leaders, is very important for people trying to decide if we have a community that they want to raise their kids in or if they think the market will sustain a business such as a movie palace. Are others as proud of the violence that happens here?
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Post by Anonymous on Dec 15, 2014 9:53:55 GMT -6
You are plumb crazy. Plain and simple.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Dec 15, 2014 10:19:06 GMT -6
Kyle, really, it is getting hard to even try and be even tempered around you.
If you are trying to pi$$ off the last few Streatorites who sort of supported you, you are fast accomplishing it.
I may disagree with the city on occasion, but in NO WAY would I suggest ANYONE in this town supports random violence.
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Post by toshiko on Dec 15, 2014 10:27:01 GMT -6
I have been a supporter, but this is getting ridiculous. LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by willy on Dec 15, 2014 12:52:14 GMT -6
I never said I agreed with any type of violence did I Kyle. And no, I never said any of theasstampings occured on the playground. I yes I do believe you should have gotten a goodasstamping like most of us in this city saw as we grew up. I didn't then nor now believe that putting on the gloves in a garage to be violent in nature. Quit putting words in my mouth. If someone walked up to you and knocked you on yourassI would find that unacceptable.
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Post by capncrunch on Dec 15, 2014 14:36:32 GMT -6
No offense to anyone that responds to Kyle, all you people are doing, is egging Mr. Mitchell on. like he wants us to. Maybe take in the consideration, and not respond to him. And Mr. Mitchell will also continue to twist things around just to get a response back.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 15, 2014 15:26:31 GMT -6
I never said I agreed with any type of violence did I Kyle. And no, I never said any of thebutttampings occured on the playground. I yes I do believe you should have gotten a goodbutttamping like most of us in this city saw as we grew up. I didn't then nor now believe that putting on the gloves in a garage to be violent in nature. Quit putting words in my mouth. If someone walked up to you and knocked you on yourbuttI would find that unacceptable. But sometimes there were kids (like you) that were somewhat smart asses, that needed an attitude adjustment. And sometimes on the way home they got their adjustment. It sure seems like you agreed with it, saying that kids needed the attitude adjustments, just for something that they said. Should the biggest kid that can give out the best butt tappings be the one who gets to decide who is being a smartassand who needs these attitude adjustments? You called them "playground style" butt tappings and said that it was at Streator schools that I might have been treated like a Timex. You suggested that I should have been or should be physically harmed simply because you don't like what I have to say. Do we live in a country where one person gets to decide what can be said and violence is a viable solution when you don't like something? What kind of message does a City leader saying these things have on any young impressionable school kids that may be reading this? If a former Councilman posts that he thinks that kids that got "attitude adjustments" needed them, couldn't they see it as saying that it is acceptable for anyone to determine who they think deserves an "adjustment"? Isn't that basically telling the bigger kids to go ahead and butt tap and treat whoever they want like a Timex? If a bigger kid decides that he thinks that someone has said something that is a little too smart assed and gives him a non-violent butt tapping (not that you ever explained how any butt tapping could be non-violent or who gets to determine what constitutes it being considered violent) and he falls, hits his head and dies, should we just tell the parents that it is part of evolution, survival of the fittest? What does your statements say to the kids that may have already been being treated like a Timex for years and are tired of getting their butts tapped? Is there no hope for anything getting better for those kids? Should they speak up about the problem, or will they just be attacked because it is something that is promoted by leaders of the City and just something they have to accept as part of their life in Streator, if they want to live it? If they decide that they don't, do you also just see that as part of evolution, survival of the fittest? If they do decide that they not only don't want to live that existence, but don't want those who feel empowered to judge and punish anyone they want, to be able to put others through their misery, then what happens? Don't you think that it would be better for the entire community if you were to take the stance that we are a civilized society that doesn't accept violence or vigilante justice as being acceptable? As a civilized society, we do have a system in place to hold people accountable for what they do, being judged by a jury of their peers. However, to do that you have to provide them their rights first, obviously that is something that you don't believe in though.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 15, 2014 15:28:04 GMT -6
No offense to anyone that responds to Kyle, all you people are doing, is egging Mr. Mitchell on. like he wants us to. Maybe take in the consideration, and not respond to him. And Mr. Mitchell will also continue to twist things around just to get a response back. Do you think that encouraging the biggest kid on the playground to decide who needs attitude adjustments is a good thing? Was that you or your spouse that was attacking my son for his Florida venture? Was that you or your spouse that posted how thrilled you were that Willy was "spilling the beans" on my family? You want to talk about twisting things around? Really? Which one of you is posting now? Yes, you are egging me on. Since you two seem to have no problem talking crap about my family, would you like me to post about your family? Wasn't there some problems with your kids being involved in situations at school?
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Post by willy on Dec 15, 2014 15:49:07 GMT -6
Most people on here understand what I said and I stand behind what I said. I'm pushing 70 and what I talk about happened well over 50 years ago. You grew up in a different place than most of us. We accept Streator as a pretty darn good place to live and to have been raised. You see things differently than most of us reading this.
There were times in my past of long ago that I was a kid that needed that attitude adjustment. I put my time in that garage and got thumped a few times but like I said we're still best of friends all these years later. I got thumped once by a guy that out weighed me by 50 pounds and he lived across the street from me. It only took one good thumping from him for me to quit sassing him, but I told him when I got to 150 pounds me and him were going back in that garage. When I hit my fighting weight we both laughed at my pledge cause we were such good friends. And 60 years later we still laugh about it.
You want to catagorize everything as violence, when in fact they're not. I don't agree with violence as well as other folks on here and I certainly don't believe in any bullying that goes on in the schools.
What went on when I was growing up was nothing and in most cases whoever got thumped had it coming, including me. You have to lighten up Kyle, maybe folks would get along with you.
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Post by father of two on Dec 15, 2014 17:07:43 GMT -6
In all honesty while violence should be dealt with, I would prefer the police department put more time into ridding the town of the heroin dealers who are killing so many people and causing a lot of the crime here.
Vote for Lansford. 4 more years.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Dec 15, 2014 17:27:30 GMT -6
Most people on here understand what I said and I stand behind what I said. I'm pushing 70 and what I talk about happened well over 50 years ago. You grew up in a different place than most of us. We accept Streator as a pretty darn good place to live and to have been raised. You see things differently than most of us reading this. There were times in my past of long ago that I was a kid that needed that attitude adjustment. I put my time in that garage and got thumped a few times but like I said we're still best of friends all these years later. I got thumped once by a guy that out weighed me by 50 pounds and he lived across the street from me. It only took one good thumping from him for me to quit sassing him, but I told him when I got to 150 pounds me and him were going back in that garage. When I hit my fighting weight we both laughed at my pledge cause we were such good friends. And 60 years later we still laugh about it. You want to catagorize everything as violence, when in fact they're not. I don't agree with violence as well as other folks on here and I certainly don't believe in any bullying that goes on in the schools. What went on when I was growing up was nothing and in most cases whoever got thumped had it coming, including me. You have to lighten up Kyle, maybe folks would get along with you. Let's be clear here Willy. We are not talking about some willing participants putting on gloves in someone's garage, like it is some type of sport. We are talking about your statements of not liking what someone has to say and forcing physical harm on them, by "adjusting their attitude on the way home from school", the "playground style good old butt tappings", and kids in our schools being "treated like a Timex". You were not talking about a sport in someone's garage. Yes, I do consider that to be violence. Do you really think that most people understand what you said? How about support it? It doesn't seem that too many are voting in favor of what you stand behind. You make a suggestion that individuals get to decide who has a thumping coming but try to indicate that you don't support bullying? I think you promote it as being acceptable. Yeah, do I have to lighten up? Are you the biggest kid on the playground who thinks he gets to control how lightened up everyone is? What happens if I don't lighten up? These are very serious issues that we are discussing. Have you not seen how much the declining population, businesses and property values are destroying our community? These are issues that are at the core of whether people want to move, raise families, and invest here or not. I won't lighten up or let it go. Violence is just wrong and bad for Streator.
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