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Post by father of two on Nov 20, 2014 12:44:59 GMT -6
My theory on the situation is that when the factories we had back in the 70's and 80's started downsizing or closing, families moved away to seek jobs. With that went a lot of kids and a solid work ethic that working parents taught their kids back then. When I was in school in 77-78 both teams made the playoffs. After school there were always 20-30 kids lifting weights all school year. Now I hear they're lucky to have 10. It's all about hard work, dedication, and courage. It has to be tough the last 20 years to go out for football and lose consistently, be made fun if by classmates and called losers by the community you represent. I have more respect for players who stick it out year after year for the love of the game. I would hire many of them if I were a company looking for employees. I would know that when the job got tough that they most likely would stick it out and have pride I their work.
Some assistant coaches are great assistants, but when promoted to head coaching just don't have what it needs to run the whole show. It happens in pro sports and work places.
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Post by willy on Nov 20, 2014 13:17:43 GMT -6
John Haar was a guard at Northern Illinois University and played with George Bork. He's a member of Northern's Hall of Fame for the team he played on. Jack Magnilia also a member of the '58 undefeated team went Northwestern and was on the team but freshman were non-elegible to play back then. I'm sure if we put our heads together Roman, we'd come up with more. Geez, forgot Doug Dieken. There's plenty of individual success no matter who the coach was. The coach with the most wins in our history was Pops Dale and he won 65 games, yet was 13 games under 500.
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 14:36:31 GMT -6
My theory on the situation is that when the factories we had back in the 70's and 80's started downsizing or closing, families moved away to seek jobs. With that went a lot of kids and a solid work ethic that working parents taught their kids back then. When I was in school in 77-78 both teams made the playoffs. After school there were always 20-30 kids lifting weights all school year. Now I hear they're lucky to have 10. It's all about hard work, dedication, and courage. It has to be tough the last 20 years to go out for football and lose consistently, be made fun if by classmates and called losers by the community you represent. I have more respect for players who stick it out year after year for the love of the game. I would hire many of them if I were a company looking for employees. I would know that when the job got tough that they most likely would stick it out and have pride I their work. Some assistant coaches are great assistants, but when promoted to head coaching just don't have what it needs to run the whole show. It happens in pro sports and work places. I don't think the kids are losers. I think you nailed it yesterday as to major reasons for the problems SHS has had in football: lack of youth football and a lack of commitment in the weight room. In contrast, Streator has had organized "youth" baseball for nearly 60 years; and the results show its value.
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 14:38:12 GMT -6
John Haar was a guard at Northern Illinois University and played with George Bork. He's a member of Northern's Hall of Fame for the team he played on. Jack Magnilia also a member of the '57 undefeated team went Northwestern and was on the team but freshman were non-elegible to play back then. I'm sure if we put our heads together Roman, we'd come up with more. Geez, forgot Doug Dieken. There's plenty of individual success no matter who the coach was. The coach with the most wins in our history was Pops Dale and he won 65 games, yet was 13 games under 500. I didn't mention Jack because he never played. I didn't mention Doug because he came after my time.
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Post by willy on Nov 20, 2014 14:57:00 GMT -6
I corrected my remark, it was the '58 team that was undefeated. Jack was highly touted when he went there and I don't know why he dropped out, but when I talk to Al Wheatland I'll find out. I believe he's deceased.
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 15:17:36 GMT -6
I corrected my remark, it was the '58 team that was undefeated. Jack was highly touted when he went there and I don't know why he dropped out, but when I talk to Al Wheatland I'll find out. I believe he's deceased. Jack was All-State on one list, and Al was All-State on another; an amazing backfield. Al told me sometime back that Jack was deceased.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 16:49:32 GMT -6
It's going to be REAL interesting to see who fills Melody's shoes. They need a fresh face...where's that gonna' come from? Please don't say that kid from Fieldcrest. He stepped into a stable staff and a once-in-a-lifetime crop of kids...AND it's a 2A school, isn't it? When a team is loaded at THAT level...domination is relatively easy. Check him out in 5 years and let's see how it's going with him then.
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Post by greekgod on Nov 20, 2014 17:39:49 GMT -6
I find it interesting that there's so much concern about the Win/Loss record of an athletic team than in academic performance and graduation rates at SHS.
Quick question to Job, which SHS graduating class had the largest number of individuals sharing the title of Valedictorian?
Oh, and where are they now?
I'll give you a hint, it included the surname of Spector, an Jungers.
How many athletic "greats" from SHS in the schools history became pro athletes?
Where should our community place their priorities, academics or athletics?
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 20, 2014 18:20:04 GMT -6
My theory on the situation is that when the factories we had back in the 70's and 80's started downsizing or closing, families moved away to seek jobs. With that went a lot of kids and a solid work ethic that working parents taught their kids back then. When I was in school in 77-78 both teams made the playoffs. After school there were always 20-30 kids lifting weights all school year. Now I hear they're lucky to have 10. It's all about hard work, dedication, and courage. It has to be tough the last 20 years to go out for football and lose consistently, be made fun if by classmates and called losers by the community you represent. I have more respect for players who stick it out year after year for the love of the game. I would hire many of them if I were a company looking for employees. I would know that when the job got tough that they most likely would stick it out and have pride I their work. Thanks for that thought FOT. To an extent, I would agree, I suppose to test the theory, you would have to look at the records of other similar towns. Your comment on coaches is correct though, in my case, we lost our coach my senior year. We went from 14-2,15-1,15-1 to something like 5-11, and I was the only one who didn't play for the new coach ( and we didn't lose too many Seniors the year before either ).
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 19:12:18 GMT -6
I find it interesting that there's so much concern about the Win/Loss record of an athletic team than in academic performance and graduation rates at SHS. Quick question to Job, which SHS graduating class had the largest number of individuals sharing the title of Valedictorian? Oh, and where are they now? I'll give you a hint, it included the surname of Spector, an Jungers. How many athletic "greats" from SHS in the schools history became pro athletes? Where should our community place their priorities, academics or athletics? g Greekie; What are you doing talking about sports in Streator? According to the “legend” you have tried to create, you are a “big businessman” in town who came from somewhere else. Are you suggesting that jocks are dumb? A number of people on this forum, not you of course, have seen a picture taken at one of my recent reunions. The photo showed one of our old coaches and five members of the SHS wrestling team when he was the coach. Three of the guys also played football. There were two MBAs, two PhDs, one MD and one JD in the photo. Not one of the guys in the photo was good enough to play at the pro level, although two of them lettered in college. What’s your point, big businessman? Anyone who has read your posts has figured out that you were never a “scholar” at any level of schooling.
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Post by greekgod on Nov 20, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -6
I find it interesting that there's so much concern about the Win/Loss record of an athletic team than in academic performance and graduation rates at SHS. Quick question to Job, which SHS graduating class had the largest number of individuals sharing the title of Valedictorian? Oh, and where are they now? I'll give you a hint, it included the surname of Spector, an Jungers. How many athletic "greats" from SHS in the schools history became pro athletes? Where should our community place their priorities, academics or athletics? g Greekie; What are you doing talking about sports in Streator? According to the “legend” you have tried to create, you are a “big businessman” in town who came from somewhere else. Are you suggesting that jocks are dumb? A number of people on this forum, not you of course, have seen a picture taken at one of my recent reunions. The photo showed one of our old coaches and five members of the SHS wrestling team when he was the coach. Three of the guys also played football. There were two MBAs, two PhDs, one MD and one JD in the photo. Not one of the guys in the photo was good enough to play at the pro level, although two of them lettered in college. What’s your point, big businessman? Anyone who has read your posts has figured out that you were never a “scholar” at any level of schooling. Gee Job, Sounds like my High School class. Only we he had two MD's, five attorneys, one JD, one College President, a number of teachers, and a number of Viet Nam veterans. So your point? Oh, and going beyond your "tromp down memory lane", you might want to look up the name Bill Junger at SUNY at Stonybrook. Oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't a REAL Streatorite. g
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Post by greekgod on Nov 20, 2014 21:49:41 GMT -6
I find it interesting that there's so much concern about the Win/Loss record of an athletic team than in academic performance and graduation rates at SHS. Quick question to Job, which SHS graduating class had the largest number of individuals sharing the title of Valedictorian? Oh, and where are they now? I'll give you a hint, it included the surname of Spector, an Jungers. How many athletic "greats" from SHS in the schools history became pro athletes? Where should our community place their priorities, academics or athletics? g Greekie; What are you doing talking about sports in Streator? According to the “legend” you have tried to create, you are a “big businessman” in town who came from somewhere else. Are you suggesting that jocks are dumb? A number of people on this forum, not you of course, have seen a picture taken at one of my recent reunions. The photo showed one of our old coaches and five members of the SHS wrestling team when he was the coach. Three of the guys also played football. There were two MBAs, two PhDs, one MD and one JD in the photo. Not one of the guys in the photo was good enough to play at the pro level, although two of them lettered in college. What’s your point, big businessman? Anyone who has read your posts has figured out that you were never a “scholar” at any level of schooling. Gee Job, Sounds like my High School class. Only we he had two MD's, five attorneys, one JD, one College President, a number of teachers, and a number of Viet Nam veterans. So your point? Oh, and going beyond your "tromp down memory lane", you might want to look up the name Bill Junger at SUNY at Stonybrook. Oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't a REAL Streatorite. g
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Post by roman on Nov 21, 2014 7:08:02 GMT -6
Greek, I am still scratching my head trying to understand your post. I mentioned that I have a photo from one of my reunions showing our former wrestling coach and five former wrestlers. I also mentioned their attained degrees. There were only ten first-string wrestlers on the team, one for each weight class.
You responded by saying “Sounds like my High School class. Only we he had two MD's, five attorneys, one JD, one College President, a number of teachers, and a number of Viet Nam veterans.”
Unless you had only ten kids in your class, the comparison doesn’t make sense. I found your reference to “five attorneys [and] one JD" to be puzzling. In order to be an attorney, a person must possess a JD. Of course, if you were simply trying to create another legend, you might make such a mistake.
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Post by toshiko on Nov 21, 2014 17:20:05 GMT -6
"Sport has the power to overcome old divisions and create the bond of common aspirations." ~ Nelson Mandela at a banquet for the African Cup of Nations, South Africa, 1 March 1996
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Post by roman on Nov 21, 2014 17:41:57 GMT -6
"Sport has the power to overcome old divisions and create the bond of common aspirations." ~ Nelson Mandela at a banquet for the African Cup of Nations, South Africa, 1 March 1996 Mandela knew what he was talking about, and saw some results of what he said above. In my limited experiences, I developed some unlikely friendships which have lasted a very long time.
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