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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 19, 2014 17:14:55 GMT -6
Look, you want a winning season?
Play FOOTBALL, not feel good emotional bonding.
Football is a hand your opponent his ass, I am going to dominate you at all costs sport.
If you aren't going to hit it with that thought process, perhaps you should stick with soccer.
Not many folks these days have the mental attitude to be good at Football.
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Nov 19, 2014 17:16:15 GMT -6
And yea, I fully RESPECTED my coach, he was a tough SOB, pushed us WAY past our limits, all of us would have carried him on our shoulders through 12 miles of swamp if he needed it though.
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Post by dilligaf on Nov 19, 2014 17:24:32 GMT -6
I went to school with Kirk and consider him a friend....I dont think anyone can question his character as a person or as a teacher...the praise that he is receiving from colleagues,parents and students comes from the fact that he IS that nice of a guy...
BUT lets not forget what he was chosen to do...win games...as parents and spectators we never expected him to win every game and have a perfect season but we did expect the team to be competitive...the players expected to be competitive...Coach was given plenty of opportunity to move the program in a positive direction but could not turn it around...there's no blame,no fault,$hit happens....time to move on...my hats off to Kirk for giving it a go and not giving up when he could have...
As for the unsportsmanlike calls...blame it on the parents or the coach but I'm sure frustration of losing had the most to do with it...happens in college and pro ball...no reason to think a high school kid should handle it any different...
A coach can teach "life lessons" and still win games....I'm guessing Fieldcrest will remember this years season and "life lessons" for many years to come..
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Post by roman on Nov 19, 2014 17:32:22 GMT -6
"I'm Always amused by old men & their recall of how much better they were than our young men are presently!" Duh, duh check the yearbooks and see the records when some of those old men played. Playing in the Big Twelve, not the pitty-pat conference SHS is in now, there were very few losing teams. Two guys I played with later played in the Rose Bowl. www.mywebtimes.com/sports/football-notes-streator-honors-school-s-most-successful-team/article_1218d5ed-6eab-5018-be2d-5d7afb5d6dc0.html?mode=jqmAlso, learn to read. "And I watched most of the games front & center this year & despite Roman's opinion that our boys were playing warm & fuzzy football they were hitting hard & getting hit." "Roman" was talking about the coach being warm and fuzzy. Only a warm and fuzzy coach would continue to play kids who were repeatedly flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:05:00 GMT -6
Mr Bean, would you indulge my interest and tell me the true reason for entering ones sons and daughters into sporting events? Fun.
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Post by father of two on Nov 19, 2014 18:35:11 GMT -6
Remember that coaches are paid. So with that don't you expect someone you pay to be successful? He is a great guy but the teams didn't win. When that happens it falls on the coach. There are a number of reasons why our program is as good as other towns, he was working to fix that. Other towns have youth football programs that learn the high school plays from the time they start in 3rd grade until they reach high school. Those are 6 years where they teach fundamentals, plays, etc. when they get to high school the practices run better because the coach doesn't have to teach things, they practice plays. Other towns also have a higher turnout in the weight room. In the past our coaches have wanted nothing to do with the youth program. Our kids need to be motivated to do what it takes to be successful. One thing I hear about here is that high school coaches don't want their players to be working on another sport while playing for them in that season. Throw in the fact that all sports now want their players to perform or practice gor them all year round it puts kids in a predicament. Good luck in the future Kirk.
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Post by evaryman on Nov 19, 2014 18:42:31 GMT -6
Thank you, Mr. Bean. After asking the question of you this morning, I asked others to give me reasons for entering children into sports, & "fun" was given. So I pressed, & fun was generally seen as a pleasant outgrowth of a more important purpose. Lessons of cooperation & being a useful team member, surfaced as reasons for kids to learn about sports, in order that they might take the skills learned in games, into their future career. Where, hopefully, they would be a benefit to their workplace no matter what field, whether as a missionary to the sick & needy or a physicist. Team players are always better workers, for reasons that seem obvious to me. But then again, the reasons for children participating in sports, also seems obvious to me.
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Post by helencrump on Nov 19, 2014 21:05:25 GMT -6
I read somewhere that the bulldogs haven't had a winning season since 1980. Melody wouldve been 12. How many coaches have there been since then? Something tells me theres more to their record than this one coach thats headed them up for the past 5 years. Paper said two winning seasons since 1980. Still a very dismal record Helen. Thats 2 seasons in 34 years. 5 of which this coach headed the program. Im a woodland alumni. How many coaches were there in those 34 years, beside melody?
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Post by father of two on Nov 19, 2014 21:37:06 GMT -6
At least 3. Jim young, Kelly Kane and Melody.
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Post by toshiko on Nov 20, 2014 8:39:25 GMT -6
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Post by ironeagle on Nov 20, 2014 10:39:42 GMT -6
We have had McGinnis who IIRC Never had a Winning Season. John Van Fleet IIRC might have had 1.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 20, 2014 11:02:06 GMT -6
Well, they make (sp) Reno Norrie look not that all bad. He was the coach in the 60's.
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Post by helencrump on Nov 20, 2014 11:42:04 GMT -6
At least 3. Jim young, Kelly Kane and Melody. Ahhhh, so....in 34 years, theres only been 2 winning seasons. In 34 years, only the past 5 were under Melody. In 34 years, there have been a handful of other head coaches. Apparently not 29, just a handful. So its not because theres a revolving door. In 34 years, with an array of talent, theres only been 2 winning seasons. Back in the day, when they had winning seasons, the talent was strong enough that a couple members were talented enough to play college ball. Just a thought....(as i know this has happened many times)...is it possible that some fathers have watched Jr show talent in their youth leagues, and they moved into districts with winning teams? Im not talking about coaches recruiting, because thats against the rules. Im talking about dad, who played ball in high school, and wants Jr to be bigger n better, so he moves his family from one burb to another, to go to THE school with the appropriate team. Just something that happens, not just for the best academics, but for the est sports team. T
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Post by helencrump on Nov 20, 2014 11:45:26 GMT -6
So, unless the bulldogs can offer something, there probably isnt anyone looking to jump through hoops to move promising Jr to streator.
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 11:59:45 GMT -6
Helen Crump said: "Back in the day, when they had winning seasons, the talent was strong enough that a couple members were talented enough to play college ball."
The following guys played football at SHS when I was in high school and received scholarships to play at a variety of colleges.
Dan Zion (quarterback) The University of Arizona Wayne Chamberlain (guard) Northwestern Gene Christman (end) Western Illinois University Al Wheatland (running back) The University of Illinois Neil Anderson (guard) The University of Illinois John Harr (end) Augustana Ron Goerne (defensive back) Northcentral College
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