|
|
Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 13, 2014 5:39:48 GMT -6
The lack of an Interstate or 4 lane state highway linking us to an Interstate doesn't promote growth. I don't deny that not having an interstate doesn't promote growth, but I also don't think that it is the end all excuse or a reason not to be taking care of problems and doing the best that we can in other areas. Do you think that allowing violence in our streets without consequences, giving business requirements that are not within our laws, and lying to blame business owners for their uninviting attitude, promotes growth? If an interstate is the answer, then why aren't our City leaders talking about trying to make it happen? Wouldn't you think that they would have a much better chance of correcting the problems that I talk about than getting an interstate built? If they can't get an interstate built, do we just have to accept continual decline here? |
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 13, 2014 5:42:45 GMT -6
I don't think that enough people want to live where there are so little consequences for violence in our streets and the other crimes Compared to places like Chicago where there are double digit shootings on an almost daily basis, or places like Rockford or Peoria, I can tolerate a few bars fights. I would be willing to bet many people feel the same way. Wow, aren't those all places with considerably larger populations, much more employment, and interstates? Talk about apples and oranges. How about if we were to compare us to a community more our size? Oh wait, the newspaper just did that didn't they? You aren't trying to pretend that just a few bar fights is the only crime that the people of Streator deal with, are you? Shall we list the many arson fires, murders, armed robberies, mugging, car-jacking attempt, thefts, etc.? I think there are negative aspects of every community, and people have to make choices all the time. Many people continue to live in areas with larger populations because of the employment opportunities. Many people decide to commute to not have to live near the negative aspects of larger communities where they work. I just don't think that enough people want to live in a smaller community without many jobs and still have to deal with so much crime. Is your saying that you can tolerate a few bar fights supposed to make me or others think that they are acceptable? Do you think that the bar fights promote growth or entices anyone to visit our community, particularly considering the reputation of Streator? If it ends up being someone close to you that is seriously injured or dies in a bar fight, do you think you would still tolerate them? Is that what our society has evolved to, tolerating violence and attacking those who ask for less of it? |
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 13, 2014 5:44:39 GMT -6
Hey Kyle, did you read the article in The Times about jobs in Streator? Jack Dzuris called you out. He said: " Gone is the day of a factory employing 3,000 people. We're holding our own and probably improving. Some people dont see it" Hey little buddy, you fall into that "some people" category. As a matter of fact, you are probably the only one he is referring to. Yes, I saw the article. When I read it, the Kia plant in West Point Alabama came to mind, I believe it employs roughly 3000 people. I bet there are more examples too. You seem to be pretty confused. You are an anonymous poster who routinely attacks me, since when did you think we became buddies? I have acknowledged the good things that I've seen our City leaders do, but just feel that much more could be done. I have informed Jack and the SACCI board of some of the problems I have seen. However, since they are just basically a private club, I do not hold them responsible for problems that I feel that our City leaders should correct, such as their lack of a business inviting attitude. Perhaps Jack was referring to me, after reading my posts on here or seeing the public forum on TV, and understanding that I do not think the City is doing as much as they can. So what? Are you trying to compare that statement to the Mayor not taking any responsibility for what the City could be doing better and just saying that the people that are critical of the City did not go to City Hall, when that clearly is not true? I think there is quite a difference. |
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 13, 2014 5:46:17 GMT -6
Ottawa, Peru, LaSalle and Pontiac also have declining populations but you arent seeing the cuts there. Are you using official census data to be declaring that they are declining in population, or just some estimates? Isn't it true that if you use the last two official census figures to calculate the population gains and losses, that a different picture appears? Isn't it true that Streator has been losing more population for a longer period of time? My research shows that from 2000 to 2010, Streator's population declined 3.4%, while LaSalle County overall gained 2.2%. Peru gained 4.8%, and Ottawa 2.3%. Isn't it also interesting that as someone pointed out, the local hospital company that is shutting down here recently made a large investment in a neighboring community? |
|
|
|
Post by rocket on Jun 13, 2014 6:32:44 GMT -6
Seen they took down the population sign at 12st and park st.
Figuring the number has been dropping since the last time they updated the sign.
The last sign there said a population of 12,+range?
Now the sign is gone.
The sign before that had something in the 15.000 range?
So Streator the population is rapidly decreasing.
|
|
|
|
Post by cityslicker on Jun 13, 2014 7:34:45 GMT -6
In regards to this forum, the pantagraph today stated that Streator has a population of 40,000 people. Is the chamber bloating that number to the press?
|
|
|
|
Post by capncrunch on Jun 13, 2014 7:35:29 GMT -6
People need to move where they have work at. Can not blame the people for that.
|
|
|
|
Post by dog on Jun 13, 2014 7:43:50 GMT -6
Seen they took down the population sign at 12st and park st. Figuring the number has been dropping since the last time they updated the sign. The last sign there said a population of 12,+range? Now the sign is gone. The sign before that had something in the 15.000 range? So Streator the population is rapidly decreasing. According to the US census Bureau Quickfacts site, The population in 2010 was 13,705 and the Population estimate for 2013 was 13422 |
|
|
|
Post by dog on Jun 13, 2014 8:08:37 GMT -6
Ottawa, Peru, LaSalle and Pontiac also have declining populations but you arent seeing the cuts there. Are you using official census data to be declaring that they are declining in population, or just some estimates? Isn't it true that if you use the last two official census figures to calculate the population gains and losses, that a different picture appears? Isn't it true that Streator has been losing more population for a longer period of time? My research shows that from 2000 to 2010, Streator's population declined 3.4%, while LaSalle County overall gained 2.2%. Peru gained 4.8%, and Ottawa 2.3%. Isn't it also interesting that as someone pointed out, the local hospital company that is shutting down here recently made a large investment in a neighboring community? I am using information from the US Census Bureau QuickFacts site. Now if we include your facts from 2000 to 2010, Streator went from a decline of 3.4% to a decline of only -2.1%. LaSalle County gained 2.2% in the same time frame but since 2010 has lost 1.5%. Peru seemed to have the biggest swing, gaining 4.8% from 2000-2010 while losing 1.8% since then. Peru was also the city that had a retail sales per person number that was over 4 times higher than Streator's. If we were to consider changes in the region for losses in the county and the other cities in the area the swing appears to be from 3.3% to 6.6%. If we were to factor that into Streator's number and use the lowest of those numbers(3.3%) Streators latest number should have been a decline of around 6.7%. When all these other place went from positive gains in the 2000-2010 time frame to losses since then, Streator actually fared better than them all by only having a population change of 1.3% during the same time frames. |
|
|
|
Post by helencrump on Jun 13, 2014 8:14:16 GMT -6
Ottawa, Peru, LaSalle and Pontiac also have declining populations but you arent seeing the cuts there. Are you using official census data to be declaring that they are declining in population, or just some estimates? Isn't it true that if you use the last two official census figures to calculate the population gains and losses, that a different picture appears? Isn't it true that Streator has been losing more population for a longer period of time? My research shows that from 2000 to 2010, Strezator's population declined 3.4%, while LaSalle County overall gained 2.2%. Peru gained 4.8%, and Ottawa 2.3%. Isn't it also interesting that as someone pointed out, the local hospital company that is shutting down here recently made a large investment in a neighboring community? U Declining/increasing population must not have any relation to the hospitals situation, then. If that were the case, st Mary's would already be closed, and...whats Ottawa's CURRENT hospital name? It's been in financial difficulty the last 2 changeovers. Anyway, st Elizabeth's should be thriving, with their increase in population. Could it in FACT be people like you, constantly badmouthing our community? There isn't a community that doesn't have increasing crime. It's the times we live in. But, streator is still holding its own. But, with your constant badmouthing, it only hurts. You repeatedly speak of this person or that person that agrees with you. IS THIS THE ONLY TOPIC YOU EVER DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE? People probably agree just to get away from you! It's disgusting to think you are spreading this negativity about streator all over other communities!!! |
|
|
|
Post by cityslicker on Jun 13, 2014 9:00:47 GMT -6
Helen, most people on here, only speak of the facts. The carjacking last cruise night weekend, and the lady that was drug down route 18, to her death, should not be forgotten. These are crimes
on innocent women and should not be tolerated. What family or business would want to locate here, unless one does not value their life and property?
|
|
|
|
Post by Anonymous on Jun 13, 2014 9:56:48 GMT -6
Man, we need to do a poll on who is actually afraid of living in Streator. I'm not. Are you? Do you feel unsafe here? I don't.
|
|
|
|
Post by helencrump on Jun 13, 2014 10:33:25 GMT -6
Helen, most people on here, only speak of the facts. The carjacking last cruise night weekend, and the lady that was drug down route 18, to her death, should not be forgotten. These are crimes on innocent women and should not be tolerated. What family or business would want to locate here, unless one does not value their life and property? These are the FACTS on those two incidents: While it was a frightening experience for the woman who you state was carjacked, in FACT, she experienced an attempt. (And I know her personally. Well. Very well) As far as the woman who was savagely drug to her death, she and her friend picked up a stranger. At the gas station. To go pick up drugs together. Those are the sad, unfortunate facts. I worked with her on and off in the healthcare field since I graduated from high school. We were employed at the same place, at the time of her death. She was a lovely person, who, even though she had a long stint at sobriety, couldnt shake the lifestyle. And the FACT is, that lifestyle is dangerous no matter where you live! |
|
|
|
Post by oldtimer on Jun 13, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -6
Helen, most people on here, only speak of the facts. The carjacking last cruise night weekend, and the lady that was drug down route 18, to her death, should not be forgotten. These are crimes on innocent women and should not be tolerated. What family or business would want to locate here, unless one does not value their life and property? City you are a dope. So, based on your in depth analysis, people will not move to streator because of a car jacking that happened last year and because a woman was dragged to death about 15 years ago? And, when she was killed her body was found in kangley and not streator. How do you get by in life? You can tell you live in a small town because you're thinking is veeeerrrrryyy small |
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Mitchell on Jun 13, 2014 11:56:01 GMT -6
Are you using official census data to be declaring that they are declining in population, or just some estimates? Isn't it true that if you use the last two official census figures to calculate the population gains and losses, that a different picture appears? Isn't it true that Streator has been losing more population for a longer period of time? My research shows that from 2000 to 2010, Streator's population declined 3.4%, while LaSalle County overall gained 2.2%. Peru gained 4.8%, and Ottawa 2.3%. Isn't it also interesting that as someone pointed out, the local hospital company that is shutting down here recently made a large investment in a neighboring community? I am using information from the US Census Bureau QuickFacts site. Now if we include your facts from 2000 to 2010, Streator went from a decline of 3.4% to a decline of only -2.1%. You make it sound as if our population decline is somehow improving. Wasn't the 3.4% decline spread over 10 years? The 2.1% decline was over just a three year period, wasn't it? If it keeps going at that rate, won't it be about a 7% loss by the end of a ten year period? It seems to me that our population loss problem is doubling. |
|
