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Post by helencrump on Mar 29, 2014 19:37:58 GMT -6
Naw, if I were to do something like this, I'd follow the recommendations on the article above. It states that for farm land, you should go to P&Z. To dot my I's n cross my T's, so I wouldn't run into issues, after getting set up.
Another site I found talks all about aquaponics, and that first recommendation was to speak to accountant, and have a very detailed plan, to avoid issues due to initial costs, and lack of much return. I was going to post that article, but it was more informational to someone actually starting up an aquaponics farm. The others I thought would be more informational to everyone.
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Post by helencrump on Mar 29, 2014 19:54:55 GMT -6
Gee, oh golly, someone trying to bring employment to Streator........ How SELFISH. With all of the discussion on here,fb, the paper, yadda yadda yadda, that's what you take away from this conversation? Lol Seems rather selfish to me, that he did have the apparent opportunity to bring a couple jobs in. According to Kyle, this building owner (who's always remained unnamed, but for purposes of this topic, will assume he's real), wanted a use forhs building, and apparently was willing to pay all the start up costs without worry of return. He's taken that opportunity and dropped the ball before even being off n running. The very first step he was advised to do...re refused. I don't think that sounds like someone interested in ACTUALLY following this to fruition. Sounds more like he found another way to campaign a streator council fight. Jmho
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 29, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -6
Another aquaponics thread? My god.
Recap: a guy owns a second hand shop and applies for a permit to breed fish. The request is denied.
That's the story.
I don't get it. I understand that I should skip the thread if I dont want to comment on it, but how many threads and how long will it be such a big deal? Who cares?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 29, 2014 21:16:52 GMT -6
Naw, if I were to do something like this, I'd follow the recommendations on the article above. It states that for farm land, you should go to P&Z. To dot my I's n cross my T's, so I wouldn't run into issues, after getting set up. Another site I found talks all about aquaponics, and that first recommendation was to speak to accountant, and have a very detailed plan, to avoid issues due to initial costs, and lack of much return. I was going to post that article, but it was more informational to someone actually starting up an aquaponics farm. The others I thought would be more informational to everyone. I've already agreed that I made the mistake of going to ask the Mayor what would be required. At the time I thought that the Mayor was somewhat business friendly. It was a couple months into waiting for him to get back to me that I knew what a big mistake I had made. Too bad we don't have someone at City Hall to provide the correct information or have the process to obtain it spelled out in our ordinances so that we can have more business here. Yes helen, the low and slow profits were already discussed a couple of times on here, the building owner was willing to invest in it knowing that any return would not be for some time and would not be large. He was willing to support the investment to create this use for his building. It is great that we have so many people researching it now. You don't have to eat the fish to have the benefits of Aquaponics in your home. You could have a tank with goldfish and pump the water through some simple grow beds in front of a window or under an economical LED light and back to the tank. You can have a productive healthy herb & leafy vegetable garden all winter long. It's easy to take care of, basically just feed the fish, plant and harvest. As you are probably seeing from your research, it really isn't a big deal. People are doing it in their basements, garages, back yards, etc. Maybe once the internet finally catches on here, more people will read about it and it will become more accepted.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 29, 2014 21:28:38 GMT -6
The very first step he was advised to do...re refused. You must be talking about the Mayor telling me to go to P&Z to apply for Industrial Zoning on Main St. That was not up to me, the individual property owner has to apply for a zoning change. He didn't want to because it was so ridiculous and after talking to the Mayor, he kept on saying that he didn't want to fight with the City. Have you read the vacant building ordinance that this property owner could come under the wrath of? The Mayor shut the project down without even giving P&Z or the Council a chance to weigh in on if it should be allowed, but yet he won't even provide us his reasoning for keeping downtown buildings vacant. I just think we all need them to start doing things differently.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 29, 2014 21:43:36 GMT -6
Another aquaponics thread? My god. Recap: a guy owns a second hand shop and applies for a permit to breed fish. The request is denied. That's the story. I don't get it. I understand that I should skip the thread if I dont want to comment on it, but how many threads and how long will it be such a big deal? Who cares? I'm not surprised that you don't get it. It is about our Mayor not being inviting to business, giving requirements that go against our laws, keeping it a secret as to why he keeps downtown buildings vacant, etc. It is about changing the direction our community has been heading. I will try to make it continue to be a big deal until the election, 374 days from now, because I care about us having a thriving business community.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 29, 2014 22:30:03 GMT -6
Another aquaponics thread? My god. Recap: a guy owns a second hand shop and applies for a permit to breed fish. The request is denied. That's the story. I don't get it. I understand that I should skip the thread if I dont want to comment on it, but how many threads and how long will it be such a big deal? Who cares? I'm not surprised that you don't get it. It is about our Mayor not being inviting to business, giving requirements that go against our laws, keeping it a secret as to why he keeps downtown buildings vacant, etc. It is about changing the direction our community has been heading. I will try to make it continue to be a big deal until the election, 374 days from now, because I care about us having a thriving business community. No, I get it. You don't. The mayor is inviting to business and would love to add the tax dollars that would come with the business. He doesnt give requiements that go against our laws. He couldnT or else the city would be open to a lawsuit. You say this over and over and over that he goes against the laws. So sue the city. Why don't you? That way youll shut up. The problem is you. Not the city. You don't seem to be able to run a successful business so I'm sure your aquaponics plan to the city was similar. The mayor doesn't keep downtown buildings vacant. He'd love to fill them with businesses. However, those businesses must meet the codes. Major lansford is the best mayor streator has had in years. Its as simple as what I said above. You own a second hand store. You applied for a permit to breed fish and it was denied. End of story.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 29, 2014 23:48:51 GMT -6
No, I get it. You don't. The mayor is inviting to business and would love to add the tax dollars that would come with the business. He doesnt give requiements that go against our laws. He couldnT or else the city would be open to a lawsuit. You say this over and over and over that he goes against the laws. So sue the city. Why don't you? That way youll shut up. The problem is you. Not the city. You don't seem to be able to run a successful business so I'm sure your aquaponics plan to the city was similar. The mayor doesn't keep downtown buildings vacant. He'd love to fill them with businesses. However, those businesses must meet the codes. Major lansford is the best mayor streator has had in years. Its as simple as what I said above. You own a second hand store. You applied for a permit to breed fish and it was denied. End of story. You just keep telling yourself all those things and maybe you'll actually believe them, but I think a lot of people see the results of our City's business attitude and realize the truth. If the Mayor had a justification in our laws for his requirement, why do you think he doesn't just provide it to shut me up? Didn't you ask him for it? What did he say? Do you think that law suits are the only way to solve things? I thought you were going to sue me because I said that you threatened me. Wasn't Mr. Hart going to sue me to try to shut me up? It's easy to threaten a law suit because it is cheap talk. I don't have to sue, because I have my First Amendment rights to talk about what they do and ask voters to hire new leaders. If the Mayor wants to sue me for saying that his requirement goes against our laws and prove that it is somehow justified by our laws, he certainly can try. If he were going to though, he'd be smart to make sure that he tells me his justification first to make sure that I know that I am saying something false, other wise there will not be malice. I bet pigs will fly before he provides a justification, since his requirement does go against our laws. Even you are smart enough to realize that if it were within our laws he, or one of the Council members that also got involved would have shown us how our laws justify it sometime over the last couple of years, aren't you? I don't own a second hand store. I own a building and rent space to a second hand store. Does it just make you feel good talking about second hand stores and my business experiences or do you feel that it somehow justifies or lightens our Mayor giving out a requirement that does go against our laws, keeping a business out and another building vacant. End of story means you are done talking, right? I doubt you really thought that it would stop me. Won't it be interesting to see the results of the formal review? Then maybe I'll take the letters to the Times to see if they will do a story on how perspective business are treated when they go to City Hall to find out what is required, like dog suggested.
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Post by nessun vestiti on Mar 30, 2014 7:26:42 GMT -6
Our local government, is as corrupt as our school district.
It's obvious that this is a slash and grab situation. At some point, when property values are low enough, and then real estate market turns around. Watch who is doing all the buying and selling!
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 30, 2014 7:53:36 GMT -6
Our local government, is as corrupt as our school district. It's obvious that this is a slash and grab situation. At some point, when property values are low enough, and then real estate market turns around. Watch who is doing all the buying and selling! They are paving the way to start "land banking", by putting the suggestion that the City start grabbing downtown properties in their plan. After keeping it off tax rolls waiting until "market conditions are more favorable" and make sure individual owners don't "decide to do something different" with the property that might generate jobs and tax revenue, we should watch who they give the sweet deal to for their "significant redevelopment".
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Post by dog on Mar 30, 2014 8:14:33 GMT -6
Our local government, is as corrupt as our school district. It's obvious that this is a slash and grab situation. At some point, when property values are low enough, and then real estate market turns around. Watch who is doing all the buying and selling! They are paving the way to start "land banking", by putting the suggestion that the City start grabbing downtown properties in their plan. After keeping it off tax rolls waiting until "market conditions are more favorable" and make sure individual owners don't "decide to do something different" with the property that might generate jobs and tax revenue, we should watch who they give the sweet deal to for their "significant redevelopment". I don't doubt that your scenario is possible. We will have to see how it pans out. I was doing some searching this morning and found an interesting read about Brownfield sites. I think it has some relevance here concerning the Tuscarora property and I don't think it is a big stretch that it couldn't apply to the downtown area considering the long reach of the EPA and what they consider environmental hazards. I think this could be a possible scenario too. Here is the link and I will highlight a couple of the topics that have been talked about here at SO: www.epa.state.il.us/land/brownfields/faq.htmlWhy are brownfields a problem for my community? Brownfields can pose a number of threats to a community's well being. Brownfield sites can: •Potentially harm human health and the environment •Reduce local employment opportunities and tax revenue •Limit economic growth and development •Attract vandals, open dumping, or other illegal activity •Lower surrounding property values and contribute to neighborhood deterioration •Contribute to urban sprawl as businesses relocate to farmland and open space Unlike a private business, local governments are responsible for promoting the health and well being of their communities, and they can play a key role in redevelopment projects that the private sector would not undertake on its own. Also, because certain legal and financial tools used by local governments are not available to private parties, local governments have a unique opportunity to participate in brownfields cleanup and redevelopment. Local governments can initiate partnerships with stakeholders to share costs and other resources, in which local governments take some actions described below and private companies do others. Yes, the Illinois EPA can help local governments by conducting Redevelopment Assessments at brownfield properties in their communities. Using a grant from the United States Environmental Protection Agency (U.S. EPA), Illinois EPA staff may come to your community to conduct redevelopment assessments that provide information about the environmental condition of a specific piece of property. To receive a redevelopment assessment, the local government must own the property or obtain permission from the owner and must document interest in developing the property. When should local government take over the ownership of property? It depends on the circumstances and type of project. While communities usually prefer that brownfields redevelopment occur in the private sector with little government involvement, there are some brownfield sites that will never be redeveloped by the private sector. Brownfield redevelopment is a complicated process and there are a number of financial and legal hurdles that can sometimes best be overcome when the local government takes ownership of the property. If a piece of property is tax delinquent and has a number of liens on it, the only way to clear the title may be for a local government to acquire the title. Also, there are some cases where local governments may want to enter into the chain of title for a piece of property when the perception of environmental liability is preventing development. Furthermore, cities may already own property that was used for municipal purposes or that was acquired earlier for some other reason. Another reason cities may want to acquire title to the brownfield property is so they can assemble a number of pieces of property together for a large redevelopment project like an industrial park. Many brownfields are in older industrial areas where sites are often too small and are poorly designed for a modern industrial user. Some cities are trying to develop suburban style industrial parks in older industrial areas by assembling a number of sites, cleaning them up together, and providing updated infrastructure to attract new companies. Another problem is land assembly. It can be difficult to acquire a number of different pieces of property and put them together for a large redevelopment project. This is often time consuming, complicated, and can run into a number of legal road blocks. Usually the city will have to acquire the different pieces of property using different mechanisms and each mechanism has different legal requirements and time frames. Furthermore, there are uncertainties with each mechanism that can delay or possibly stop property acquisition all together. While land acquisition can be time consuming and expensive, a number of local governments have evaluated the costs and benefits and concluded that their community will be better off in the long run if they acquire brownfield sites for redevelopment. Many communities around Illinois have found ways to overcome these barriers and have successfully acquired property for redevelopment. Furthermore, if local officials do their homework and fully research all legal requirements, they will be in a better position to acquire property in an inexpensive and expedient manner.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 30, 2014 8:46:31 GMT -6
dog,
We were told that the Tuscarora gift came with a $50,000 donation that will clean up the environmental issues there and then also have funds left over to clean up the mold problem at the Oakley Ave. property. Why would we want to involve tax funded EPA dollars, when remediation of the problems has already been paid for?
I'm glad that you brought up these properties. Has the work been done yet? When will it be finished so that they can be put back on the tax rolls. Are the properties being properly maintained like they would require if it were any other private property owner?
I asked these types of questions at a recent Council meeting, but as usual, they mostly just ignore me. Sometimes one of them will ask questions back to use his position to troll for law suit evidence trying to stop my First Amendment rights.
I can show you a picture of their deplorable property in my neighborhood that shows that they should not own more property that they don't take care of.
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Post by dog on Mar 30, 2014 9:01:14 GMT -6
dog, We were told that the Tuscarora gift came with a $50,000 donation that will clean up the environmental issues there and then also have funds left over to clean up the mold problem at the Oakley Ave. property. Why would we want to involve tax funded EPA dollars, when remediation of the problems has already been paid for? I'm glad that you brought up these properties. Has the work been done yet? When will it be finished so that they can be put back on the tax rolls. Are the properties being properly maintained like they would require if it were any other private property owner? I asked these types of questions at a recent Council meeting, but as usual, they mostly just ignore me. Sometimes one of them will ask questions back to use his position to troll for law suit evidence trying to stop my First Amendment rights. I can show you a picture of their deplorable property in my neighborhood that shows that they should not own more property that they don't take care of. I am trying to give you some possible reasonings for why they do what they do. As professional as I try to be in my life , there would come a time that I would just ignore you too. Its sad that your relationship with the city has soured so badly that ignoring you is the only alternative. It appears so much easier just to give you your 3 minutes and move on. When we have a few more business owners or citizens coming to the meetings to support you, then I would be more convinced. You say you have a lot of people who support you, but I am not seeing them. You have good causes, but it is lost in the BS. I don't really care about the Mushro building in its current condition, and I wouldn't care even if you were the owner of that building. If it is a structural asset to surrounding buildings, I say for now, let it remain as is.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 30, 2014 9:37:07 GMT -6
No, I get it. You don't. The mayor is inviting to business and would love to add the tax dollars that would come with the business. He doesnt give requiements that go against our laws. He couldnT or else the city would be open to a lawsuit. You say this over and over and over that he goes against the laws. So sue the city. Why don't you? That way youll shut up. The problem is you. Not the city. You don't seem to be able to run a successful business so I'm sure your aquaponics plan to the city was similar. The mayor doesn't keep downtown buildings vacant. He'd love to fill them with businesses. However, those businesses must meet the codes. Major lansford is the best mayor streator has had in years. Its as simple as what I said above. You own a second hand store. You applied for a permit to breed fish and it was denied. End of story. You just keep telling yourself all those things and maybe you'll actually believe them, but I think a lot of people see the results of our City's business attitude and realize the truth. If the Mayor had a justification in our laws for his requirement, why do you think he doesn't just provide it to shut me up? Didn't you ask him for it? What did he say? Do you think that law suits are the only way to solve things? I thought you were going to sue me because I said that you threatened me. Wasn't Mr. Hart going to sue me to try to shut me up? It's easy to threaten a law suit because it is cheap talk. I don't have to sue, because I have my First Amendment rights to talk about what they do and ask voters to hire new leaders. If the Mayor wants to sue me for saying that his requirement goes against our laws and prove that it is somehow justified by our laws, he certainly can try. If he were going to though, he'd be smart to make sure that he tells me his justification first to make sure that I know that I am saying something false, other wise there will not be malice. I bet pigs will fly before he provides a justification, since his requirement does go against our laws. Even you are smart enough to realize that if it were within our laws he, or one of the Council members that also got involved would have shown us how our laws justify it sometime over the last couple of years, aren't you? I don't own a second hand store. I own a building and rent space to a second hand store. Does it just make you feel good talking about second hand stores and my business experiences or do you feel that it somehow justifies or lightens our Mayor giving out a requirement that does go against our laws, keeping a business out and another building vacant. End of story means you are done talking, right? I doubt you really thought that it would stop me. Won't it be interesting to see the results of the formal review? Then maybe I'll take the letters to the Times to see if they will do a story on how perspective business are treated when they go to City Hall to find out what is required, like dog suggested. You don't have to sue because you have your first amendment rights? You won't sue because you don't have a case and you know it. Any serious businessnowner wouldn't dream of coming on a little website and talking about it. Talk is cheap. Those serious owners would be asking questions of the city and, if not answered, taking legal action for answers and result. You're a wannabe. There are those that want and those that do.
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Post by greekgod on Mar 30, 2014 18:08:38 GMT -6
Also, it sounds kind of cool. Maybe I will purchase a couple of those dilapidated buildings, tear em down and start a HOBBY FARM. first, I will talk to that planning n zoning committee. It is cool helen, producing your own food and trying to live sustainably can be very rewarding. If there would have been a reasonable requirement given and some support shown, I am sure that I would have gone to P&Z. Kyle, what we are ALL certain of is YOU DID NOT GO TO P&Z, after this admission. You know Kyle for many of the things that you 'THOUGHT" should have happened but didn't, doesn't mean the Mayor or the members of the City Council are "Corrupt". It means you DIDN'T AND DON'T understand the law. Gee Kyle, I agree the City of Streator has too many "dilapidated building" and , unkempt property. For the City Officials to be able to condemn these properties, and tear down these building would cost MONEY, what a surprise. Would the City of Streator collect enought in taxes on that "Aquaponics Facility" to destroy those building YOU determine to be dilipated. Wait Kyle, perhaps to even do that perhaps the City of Streator would have be a "Home Rule" Community to able to do it more quickly. How did you vote on "Home Rule" Kyle? I voted for it. Humm, I guess you believe "What's Good For Kyle Is Good For Streator" g
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