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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:38:14 GMT -6
Let me repeat the obvious. Folks who don't make half the money, and have little or NO retirement, are being asked to feel good about "Professionals" wage and retirement plans that the "normal" people lost 20 years ago. How about we cut the crap and fix the problem? For the sake of discussion...state your version of "The Fix." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:57:04 GMT -6
The answer to the colored words in your post above is that they weren't surprised. Your post is fraught with half-truths, but I'm not interested in addressing them at this time. Teachers and support personnel can be found all over town in many clubs and projects that are town oriented...thus, if you wish, you can get their message from the "horses mouth." In my opinion, they follow the advice of their union officials and when they vote to take their bargaining positions...their herd instinct, lack of political sophistication, and willingness to accept union strategy works to their disadvantage. Letting the union stooges do their thinking for them lets them put the responsibility for their decisions elsewhere...a common human trait. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 9:17:54 GMT -6
What exactly do the kids need? I thought over 80 % of the taxpayer money went to money sucking staff. The teachers and administration are in the mix, for themselves. Replace the word teachers with union and you will be 100% correct. They love our children and wish only the best for them. That's really, really true. However, the teachers have given up their personal/political/bargaining power over to the union's ideas of what should happen in this incredibly volatile contract bargaining environment. (Ideas like "never go backward" and "don't make concessions" and "the district is hiding money" ad nauseum...) The NEA/IEA cabals are basically satellite functions of the Democratic Party and do a wonderful propaganda job concerning student's best interests in this state. OOPs...wait a minute! The IEA and NEA are both major stakeholders in the new Common Core Standards obscenity! Talk about stabbing their union members in the back! (Yes, the teachers are sheepishly accepting the CCS like good little robots.) |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Apr 21, 2014 14:54:21 GMT -6
Let me repeat the obvious. Folks who don't make half the money, and have little or NO retirement, are being asked to feel good about "Professionals" wage and retirement plans that the "normal" people lost 20 years ago. How about we cut the crap and fix the problem? For the sake of discussion...state your version of "The Fix." Oh golly, how about this? 1.) For those who have taught more than 15 years, we raise the retirement age to 62, we cut the defined benefit to 65 percent of their lifetime average salary, have them pay 15 percent of their insurance costs, and tie cost of living to what SS pays. 2.) For those who have taught less than 15 years, we raise the retirement age to 62, we cut the defined benefit to 40 percent of their lifetime average salary, have them pay 15 percent of their insurance costs, tie the cost of living to SS as above, in addition, we would institute a 401K where the first 4 percent of employee contributions are matched at 50 percent, above that, standard IRS rules apply. 3.) For those from 0 to 5 years experience, we institute a straight 401K retirement plan with a fixed "retirement starter gift" based upon their years served, we match buck for buck to the first 6 percent, past that IRS regulations apply. At age 62 you would be expected to contribute 15 percent of your insurance costs. You could technically retire ate any point you felt comfortable with your finances, but insurance would be on you till age 62. You could alter a few numbers, I have not run the exact numbers, but I assure you, these are VERY generous relative to the ones available to those who are paying your way. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 16:09:40 GMT -6
For the sake of discussion...state your version of "The Fix." Oh golly, how about this? 1.) For those who have taught more than 15 years, we raise the retirement age to 62, we cut the defined benefit to 65 percent of their lifetime average salary, have them pay 15 percent of their insurance costs, and tie cost of living to what SS pays. 2.) For those who have taught less than 15 years, we raise the retirement age to 62, we cut the defined benefit to 40 percent of their lifetime average salary, have them pay 15 percent of their insurance costs, tie the cost of living to SS as above, in addition, we would institute a 401K where the first 4 percent of employee contributions are matched at 50 percent, above that, standard IRS rules apply. 3.) For those from 0 to 5 years experience, we institute a straight 401K retirement plan with a fixed "retirement starter gift" based upon their years served, we match buck for buck to the first 6 percent, past that IRS regulations apply. At age 62 you would be expected to contribute 15 percent of your insurance costs. You could technically retire ate any point you felt comfortable with your finances, but insurance would be on you till age 62. You could alter a few numbers, I have not run the exact numbers, but I assure you, these are VERY generous relative to the ones available to those who are paying your way. Not paying MY way, bub. Your figures look good for a place to start the discussion. It's possible to start a teaching career at age 22. Put 40 years in, huh? Sounds like a plan. We better change how our American students are acting in those classrooms, though. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves at about the 5-10 year mark due to the insane working conditions. |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Apr 21, 2014 16:51:10 GMT -6
Sorry to assume you are in the mix, it is difficult at times to tell onto which side you fall. That should be taken as a compliment, because quite honestly, it is a very difficult thing to see how this is playing out and not either get VERY protective of the plum benefits or get VERY outraged at the pure hubris.
As for the 40 year working? LOL, I wish all most of us had to do was put in 40 years. I now have 39 years in the workforce ( defined as when I started having to have SS taxes taken out), 34 full time. If I am LUCKY, I will be able to pull the plug after another 14.
And for those Teachers who leave due to "burnout", have them take a typical corporate professional job, you would see them killing to get back to their old gig.
Everyone has the "worst" job, it is human nature. In reality, we all get as much crap fed us as anywhere else......... The big difference is they have a Union to force the issue, most Professionals have only their own skills and abilities.
Finally, yea, we had better change how American students are acting in the classroom, NOT for the educator though, for the students ability to survive in the real world.
Because I see way too many kids out there who haven't a CLUE how to take an order.
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Post by chevypower on Apr 21, 2014 22:44:26 GMT -6
Sniper, great post x2 very well thought out in my opinion.
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Post by cityslicker on Apr 22, 2014 5:11:40 GMT -6
When are these overpaid teachers going to produce some educAcated spawn? The test scores are terrible and the government keeps changing the standards, to make the scores appear better. The teachers could give a ratsassabout the these dumb and impoverished students. They want larger salaries and and more benefits, at taxpayer expense!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Apr 22, 2014 7:18:13 GMT -6
When are these overpaid teachers going to produce some educAcated spawn? The test scores are terrible and the government keeps changing the standards, to make the scores appear better. The teachers could give a ratsbuttabout the these dumb and impoverished students. They want larger salaries and and more benefits, at taxpayer expense! How about we dispense with this concept of a Teacher being able to produce an educated student? Even though I am not qualified ( so says the state ) to teach a grade school class, I am intelligent enough to know that you can't just dump knowledge, ethics, or morals into a kids head. Education resides within the student, not the teacher, this is aptly illustrated by the study of Lincoln, who studied by candlelight, and Obama, who studied at the finest universities.......... All a Teacher can do is facilitate the process. |
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Post by job on Apr 22, 2014 7:35:09 GMT -6
Having spent years testifying against public sector "benefit enhancements" before various committees of the state legislature on behalf of the Illinois Municipal League, the Illinois School Board Association and the North West Municipal Conference, I am not surprised at the mess that exists today in Illinois' finances. In effect, the legislature took the position "after me, the deluge."
The Illinois School Code today looks like a collective bargaining agreement. If the unions could not get what they wanted at the bargaining table, they would simply trot down to Springfield and get the legislature to grant their request.
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Post by maskedmarvel on Jul 12, 2014 9:41:17 GMT -6
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