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Post by willy on Nov 23, 2014 14:42:27 GMT -6
When then city manager John Kolata told Marta Gebhardt to stop putting yellow ribbons on the trees in the city park, I turned my head to that ordinance too. That was before you got here Kyle. Marta out of her own pocket money was buying the material and making nice ribbons for our troops. The city manager stopped her, and on the council floor I stood behind her and not the ordinace. And I was the only one on the council that did, although the sentiment was against the ordinance. Sometimes, it's prudent to turn your head. Like I said before, I didn't see any problem that was suggested to me by others, so I suggested they turn their heads. I'd do it again even if it was you.
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Post by dog on Nov 23, 2014 15:26:29 GMT -6
Were you upset with the city when they threatened to fine your son for violating a city ordinance? Did you insist that the city not turn their head to your son's violation and request the fine instead of simply letting him off with a warning? Sounds like he got off easy, perhaps he went behind your back and joined the good old boys club! Here you are asking more questions after making claims that you can't back up and not answering my questions. Wow, you know no shame, do you? There is no justification in our laws for the Mayor's industrial zoning requirement, is there? First off I still believe that the mayors opinion is not binding or official. If a use isnt listed, the powers to be have the legal option to zone unlisted uses wherever they want as long as they place it in at least one zone. The part you keep quoting is to keep a business from sneaking something in where it would fit better somewhere else. It is a protection for the city. The city could have legally allowed it OR they could have requested a zoning change. Even so you could have had industrial zoning in the cbd. Check into mixed use zoning I believe. You could have a single building with multiple zoning uses. I went back and changed the multi-use to mixed use. Here is from Wilkipedia: Mixed-use development is—in a broad sense—any urban, suburban or village development, or even a single building, that blends a combination of residential, commercial, cultural, institutional, or industrial uses, where those functions are physically and functionally integrated, and that provides pedestrian connections.[1][2] The term ("a mixed-use development") may also be used more specifically to refer to a mixed-use real estate development project—a building, complex of buildings, or district of a town or city that is developed for mixed-use by a private developer, (quasi-) governmental agency, or a combination thereof. Traditionally, human settlements have developed in mixed-use patterns. However, with industrialisation as well as the invention of the skyscraper, governmental zoning regulations were introduced to separate different functions, such as manufacturing, from residential areas. In the United States, the heyday of separate-use zoning in the U.S. was after World War II, but since the 1990s, mixed-use zoning has once again become desirable as the benefits are recognized. These benefits include:[3] greater housing variety and density reduced distances between housing, workplaces, retail businesses, and other destinations more compact development stronger neighborhood character pedestrian and bicycle-friendly environments
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 24, 2014 14:03:22 GMT -6
There is justification you just are unable to understand it. It's really not that difficult. As for overly restrictive ordinances, you would likely find nearly identical ones in just about every city around the country. Seriously, are you sticking behind your claim that growing plants in fish water is industrial mass production? Since you don't seem to understand what mass production is, your claim that I don't understand our ordinances is very ridiculous. How about showing us some majority of communities that require a Special Use Permit to participate in a sidewalk sale, like Streator recently did? There maybe some, but just about every? I believe you are wrong again.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 24, 2014 14:04:31 GMT -6
When then city manager John Kolata told Marta Gebhardt to stop putting yellow ribbons on the trees in the city park, I turned my head to that ordinance too. That was before you got here Kyle. Marta out of her own pocket money was buying the material and making nice ribbons for our troops. The city manager stopped her, and on the council floor I stood behind her and not the ordinace. And I was the only one on the council that did, although the sentiment was against the ordinance. Sometimes, it's prudent to turn your head. Like I said before, I didn't see any problem that was suggested to me by others, so I suggested they turn their heads. I'd do it again even if it was you. What ordinance was it that she was violating? Were other displays not allowed in City Park then too, or did she just not get an attorney like the atheist group to defend her First Amendment Rights? Do you think that the Mayor just doesn't care about the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold when he decides against allowing use of City Park based on the subject to be discussed? So you think that laws don't matter and shouldn't need to be followed? If putting yellow ribbons in City Park was a good thing, but there was a poor law making it illegal, wouldn't it be better to just change the law to allow it legally, rather than just pick and choose who gets to break it? If she would have been paid up on her Good Ol Boy Club dues, do you think then she would have been allowed to express her Freedom of Speech with yellow ribbons? I think there should be one set of fair laws for everyone to follow evenly. Selective enforcement, head turning, and overly-restrictive ordinances creates the perception of corruption in my opinion and is not good for our community.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 24, 2014 14:06:22 GMT -6
First off I still believe that the mayors opinion is not binding or official. The Mayor's requirement was in an official letter, stating the City's decision of the requested requirement. Perhaps some lawsuit could have been filed to challenge it, but why should people have to go through all of that just to get the proper requirement? Since it is what stopped a business from being able to be here, shouldn't the Mayor at least give us his justification? If a use isnt listed, the powers to be have the legal option to zone unlisted uses wherever they want as long as they place it in at least one zone. Seriously? Where does it say that any powers to be can zone it wherever they want? Are you really trying to say that they just don't have to follow the laws as they are written? The part you keep quoting is to keep a business from sneaking something in where it would fit better somewhere else. Really, the law only applies to businesses, but not our City? It doesn't say in the ordinance that it only applies to businesses. If that is the way they want our laws to read, then maybe they should just write them that way, don't you think? The staunch supporters of our City leaders seem to keep trying to make it out as if it is acceptable that our leaders do not follow our laws. Our leaders not following our laws is called corruption. Corruption is why I think Streator needs new leaders.
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Post by willy on Nov 24, 2014 17:44:12 GMT -6
Geez Kyle, if you're unhappy with Mayor Lansford today, you're really going to be disappointed tomorrow I believe.
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Post by greekgod on Nov 24, 2014 18:20:06 GMT -6
Willy, Of course Kyle will be unhappy. He seems to always be unhappy! Good Luck in selling your "Big Investment" in Streator, after "bashing" us all you could. Hey, perhaps I can pick it up in a tax sale if you re-paint the upper outside wall. They just don't seem to fit in with Streaor's color motif. g
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Post by mommytoo4 on Nov 25, 2014 9:04:43 GMT -6
Geez Kyle, if you're unhappy with Mayor Lansford today, you're really going to be disappointed tomorrow I believe. Haha I get it now!!!
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 25, 2014 9:53:51 GMT -6
It is a shame NO ONE ran against Him.
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Post by cmon on Nov 25, 2014 18:41:46 GMT -6
You had your chance as did others. Lots of talk on this forum about how certain people would do this and that and make things better. In the end it's just idle talk. I'll take Mayor Lansford for another 4 years.
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Post by rukidding (towns local troll) on Nov 25, 2014 18:48:44 GMT -6
You had your chance as did others. Lots of talk on this forum about how certain people would do this and that and make things better. In the end it's just idle talk. I'll take Mayor Lansford for another 4 years. You had YOUR chance also. Why didn't You run? Looks like WE don't have MUCH CHOICE than to have Him as a Mayor for another 4 Years.
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Post by cmon on Nov 25, 2014 19:58:46 GMT -6
Why didn't I run? I have no problem with the how he's been doing his job.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 26, 2014 10:05:41 GMT -6
Geez Kyle, if you're unhappy with Mayor Lansford today, you're really going to be disappointed tomorrow I believe. Why would I be any more unhappy with him now? I doubt you'll answer that. Like our City, you rarely ever answer any questions, even after falsely making a claim that I was doing something illegal. So I'll probably be left to speculate as to why. No time like the present. Are you suspecting that I should be more unhappy with him now because the vindictive attitude, not following our laws, false claims of illegal, civil rights violations, etc. supported by him scared off potential challengers?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 26, 2014 11:16:05 GMT -6
Willy, Of course Kyle will be unhappy. He seems to always be unhappy! Good Luck in selling your "Big Investment" in Streator, after "bashing" us all you could. Hey, perhaps I can pick it up in a tax sale if you re-paint the upper outside wall. They just don't seem to fit in with Streaor's color motif. g How do you know whether I am happy or not and why would you even care? Thanks for wishing me luck, but who says I'm selling? Bashing us? Are you part of the City of Streator leadership? Do you really think that voicing my opinion about what our City leaders do and the poor results they leave us with would keep people from buying a property, if they wanted it? Have you looked around lately, does there seem to be much of anyone buying? Is the Canale building still for sale? Tyjax building? JC Penny building? Harts Gifts? Two theatre buildings? Did those people bash you too much too? Is that what is keeping you from investing in Streator? I wonder what the excuse would have been if I hadn't come to town and done something with a couple of vacant buildings. I still think that if our City leaders treated people better, there would be more here. Good luck with that tax sale. I agree that my building doesn't match the downtown Streator motif. Thanks for the compliment.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Nov 26, 2014 11:17:01 GMT -6
You had your chance as did others. Lots of talk on this forum about how certain people would do this and that and make things better. In the end it's just idle talk. I'll take Mayor Lansford for another 4 years. Yes, it is all just idle talk in the end because if our City's leadership refuses to do anything to correct the problems, none of what anyone else does is going to make any difference. Someone could come to town and spend a lot of money trying to operate a family business in the evening, but if the fights and people pulling their pants down in the middle of the street are just allowed to continue with no consequences, having them keep occurring with excessive frequency, the building will just end up boarded up. History has shown that. Until our City starts doing things differently, nothing is going to change, in my opinion.
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