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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 21:51:22 GMT -6
So you are going to back off? Back off? You really don't read well, do you? I said to bring on your silly law suit.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 8, 2014 22:03:59 GMT -6
So you are going to back off? Back off? You really don't read well, do you? I said to bring on your silly law suit. [/quote Oh no, there is no black or white Either you are saying that I threatened you or you or not? Which is it?]
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 8, 2014 22:13:18 GMT -6
Oh no, there is no black or white Either you are saying that I threatened you or you or not? Which is it? No black or white? Do you even know what you are talking about? Read what I wrote, if you want to take it as me saying that you threatened me, then go for it. You might even want to copy it for the judge to see, but I bet he has better reading comprehension than you. BTW, I did talk to the owner of Edward Jones, he seemed like a nice guy. I didn't get any death threat from him. See you in court?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 7:51:55 GMT -6
βIt would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.β β Joseph Goebbels Wow, that's getting pretty deep. I agree, the Mayor's comments that cleaning up Streator should not be politicized were mere words in an attempt to disguise our First Amendment Rights. Too bad those mere words were accompanied by his administrative powers to squash our rights. What do you think, was he just too scared that he wouldn't be able to win the election if he allowed people to hear the ideas of others, or does he just not give a crap about the Constitution? I noticed that you haven't answered my question yet. Is that because you are too busy helping oldtimer prepare for his law suit, or are you tired of talking to me too? I was enjoying responding to your Nazi quotes. Speaking of propaganda, how about that Mayor trying to convince the public that the problem here is business owners not going to City hall to find out what is required? BTW, do you still stand behind your comment that fighting gets so infused in kids growing up here, that even leaving the community and getting a legal degree doesn't convince them that violence is unacceptable?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 15:47:44 GMT -6
BTW, do you still stand behind your comment that fighting gets so infused in kids growing up here, that even leaving the community and getting a legal degree doesn't convince them that violence is unacceptable? How was it that your saying went, "you can take the boy out of Streator, but you can't take the Streator out of the boy"?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 15:54:35 GMT -6
Come on dog, I'm betting that you are dying to get a piece of this thread. Be the voice of reason and show your humility by admitting that you didn't really think that scrappers with cranes and lift trucks removed the sign for a profit, but knew that you were just adding fill to the cesspool.
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Post by dog on Mar 9, 2014 16:14:07 GMT -6
Come on dog, I'm betting that you are dying to get a piece of this thread. Be the voice of reason and show your humility by admitting that you didn't really think that scrappers with cranes and lift trucks removed the sign for a profit, but knew that you were just adding fill to the cesspool. Not dying to get into this thread at all to be honest .There is really no upside in debating things with you anymore. Your opinion wont change, and nothing I or anyone else can say will change your mind about anything. I really do believe that the sign was taken down and either scrapped or refurbished by the sign company and resold. When I see Rodney or one of the other guys from the sign company, I will ask him. It really isn't a priority for me to search someone out and ask them.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 17:28:16 GMT -6
I really do believe that the sign was taken down and either scrapped or refurbished by the sign company and resold. When I see Rodney or one of the other guys from the sign company, I will ask him. It really isn't a priority for me to search someone out and ask them. The question wasn't whether or not a sign company found a use or scrapped it. Your cesspool fill was that scrappers took it down for a profit at no cost to the building owner. Since the sign company isn't a scrapper, it's kind of mute to ask them about it, but if you do find out that they didn't charge the building owner anything because of their scrapping profits, that would be interesting to know. I would certainly apologize to you if they do say that. Gene or Doug would probably be the ones that would have that information though. What you should ask them is how much they think having the sign removed de-valued the building. I usually see Gene weekly on his way to or from his chamber meetings. I've had conversations with Doug before about how stupidly restrictive our sign ordinance is, you should ask him about that too if you have a chance.
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Post by dog on Mar 9, 2014 17:42:36 GMT -6
I really do believe that the sign was taken down and either scrapped or refurbished by the sign company and resold. When I see Rodney or one of the other guys from the sign company, I will ask him. It really isn't a priority for me to search someone out and ask them. The question wasn't whether or not a sign company found a use or scrapped it. Your cesspool fill was that scrappers took it down for a profit at no cost to the building owner. Since the sign company isn't a scrapper, it's kind of mute to ask them about it, but if you do find out that they didn't charge the building owner anything because of their scrapping profits, that would be interesting to know. I would certainly apologize to you if they do say that. Gene or Doug would probably be the ones that would have that information though. What you should ask them is how much they think having the sign removed de-valued the building. I usually see Gene weekly on his way to or from his chamber meetings. I've had conversations with Doug before about how stupidly restrictive our sign ordinance is, you should ask him about that too if you have a chance. It sounds like you have a more direct route to find the answer to the query, since you see someone on a weekly basis. You are also correct that he would have a more knowledgeable opinion on how the removal of a sign would affect the value of a building, than you or I would. Ask him when you see him and post it here. I have no ego to bruise if I got it wrong. In your conversations about our sign ordinances with him, was it ever discussed how our ordinances compare to neighboring cities?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 17:55:19 GMT -6
It sounds like you have a more direct route to find the answer to the query, since you see someone on a weekly basis. You are also correct that he would have a more knowledgeable opinion on how the removal of a sign would affect the value of a building, than you or I would. Ask him when you see him and post it here. I have no ego to bruise if I got it wrong. In your conversations about our sign ordinances with him, was it ever discussed how our ordinances compare to neighboring cities? I already have confidence that they see much value in signs and think our ordinance is stricter then many other nearby communities. The reason for you to have the conversation with them is because you are the one that seems to support our City restricting signage, not to mention that it is backing for your cesspool fill that you would be seeking from them.
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Post by dog on Mar 9, 2014 18:44:32 GMT -6
It sounds like you have a more direct route to find the answer to the query, since you see someone on a weekly basis. You are also correct that he would have a more knowledgeable opinion on how the removal of a sign would affect the value of a building, than you or I would. Ask him when you see him and post it here. I have no ego to bruise if I got it wrong. In your conversations about our sign ordinances with him, was it ever discussed how our ordinances compare to neighboring cities? I already have confidence that they see much value in signs and think our ordinance is stricter then many other nearby communities. The reason for you to have the conversation with them is because you are the one that seems to support our City restricting signage, not to mention that it is backing for your cesspool fill that you would be seeking from them. Actually, I don't have to have a conversation with them. I do support our city and their sign ordinance , because I don't think it is any more restrictive than any of our neighbors. I don't need to worry about filling any cesspool because I don't think that there is a cesspool at SO. There are a few comments directed at you that would fittingly belong in the sewer, but most posts and posters that disagree with you are not out to get you. I have no desire to make the city change their ordinance. It would be up to you convince people that our sign ordinance is excessively restrictive, taking down signs would de-value property,etc. Respectfully I don't agree with your perspective.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 9, 2014 19:22:11 GMT -6
Kyle,
I'm glad you didn't say that I threatened you.
You can't put together a business plan, run a successful business or get people to rally behind you, but at least you're smart enough to know not to threaten me.
Now, go back to the same silly thoughts you have been talking about over and over and over again for the past year.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 21:08:04 GMT -6
Actually, I don't have to have a conversation with them. I do support our city and their sign ordinance , because I don't think it is any more restrictive than any of our neighbors. I know that you don't have to, but your second sentence is why I think you should. They deal with sign ordinances of other communities a lot and would know. There are a few comments directed at you that would fittingly belong in the sewer, but most posts and posters that disagree with you are not out to get you. Tell me that you don't really think that the sign was removed at no charge to the building owner because of scrapping profits and we can go ahead and flush that bit of crap out of here. I don't think anyone is out to get me, many just want to spew as much crap as possible to try to distract from how many things are wrong here. It would be up to you convince people that our sign ordinance is excessively restrictive, taking down signs would de-value property,etc. Yes, I will keep talking about it to work on convincing people of that. Respectfully I don't agree with your perspective. I'm confident that it is very well accepted that signage does add to the value of commercial real estate. Respectfully, your saying that you disagree makes me lose a bit of respect for your intelligence.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Mar 9, 2014 21:09:48 GMT -6
Kyle, I'm glad you didn't say that I threatened you. Heck no, you aint no threat to me. Actually, I get a good laugh out of you. How's that law suit coming? Even if I did say that you threatened me, how do you think you would ever go about proving any damages? Do you really think that after you talked about me having other business owners so upset that they would give me death threats and that I have no business sense, that you would get a prevailing judgement for me saying that you threatened me? The judge would probably laugh at you if he wasn't upset that you were just wasting his time. Go ahead and try to threaten me with a law suit, you really do make me laugh. You can't put together a business plan, run a successful business or get people to rally behind you, but at least you're smart enough to know not to threaten me. LOL, go ahead and pretend that you know about my business plans, businesses, or how many people make it a point to tell me that they support and appreciate what I do. I think voters have been saying that they do want change for many years now. We will see what happens in a little under 13 months. However, don't over estimate my intelligence. Here's a threat for you. If you don't stop spewing so much crap, being so rude, and attacking people, I'll keep on talking about these things. Now, go back to the same silly thoughts you have been talking about over and over and over again for the past year. Trust me I will, with or without your permission. Do you really think that our Constitutional rights being trampled is silly? What do you think, was the Mayor scared that he wouldn't be able to win the election if he let voters hear ideas from others, or does he think that our Constitution is just silly?
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Post by dog on Mar 9, 2014 22:08:29 GMT -6
There are a few comments directed at you that would fittingly belong in the sewer, but most posts and posters that disagree with you are not out to get you. Tell me that you don't really think that the sign was removed at no charge to the building owner because of scrapping profits and we can go ahead and flush that bit of crap out of here. I don't think anyone is out to get me, many just want to spew as much crap as possible to try to distract from how many things are wrong here. Dog sez: Don't tell me I am spewing crap. Wasn't the city going to enter an agreement with a salvage company to clean up the Tuscarora property for no cost, in exchange for the scrap that was there? I have done it myself. I gave away an old hot water boiler and all the piping and stuff in trade for someone coming in to remove it for scrap. Respectfully I don't agree with your perspective. I'm confident that it is very well accepted that signage does add to the value of commercial real estate. Respectfully, your saying that you disagree makes me lose a bit of respect for your intelligence. I am arguing that removing a sign doesn't necessarily bring down the value of a property. Some sign structures do in fact add to the value of the building. Something like the McDonalds arches I would consider a liability for a new business, which would have to pay to remove it. Where a more generic shaped sign could be easily retrofitted with new plastic panels at a much lower cost to a new business would be considered an asset. In the case of the bank sign, in my opinion, I think it was a liability to the building owner and removing it, did not bring down the value of the property
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