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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 19, 2014 11:54:24 GMT -6
Easements were being talked about in another thread, I thought that I'd bring what I have to say here because of the chance that it could draw cesspool filled comments from my tag team attackers. job, dog, greek, oldtimer, job, dog, greek, northsider, job, dog, greek, FOT, job, dog, greek, anonymous, job, dog, greek, cmon, job, dog, greek... I lose track of whose turn it is. Aw, sorry you've missed us. I did notice you were talking to yourself there for awhile. Was I talking to myself? I saw a lot of views show up on this thread that were not from me.
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Post by Anonymous on May 19, 2014 17:08:31 GMT -6
Or whatever name you are going by now.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 19, 2014 21:11:35 GMT -6
Was I talking to myself? I saw a lot of views show up on this thread that were not from me. Or whatever name you are going by now. I am going by my original name that I started my account with. Since years ago when I was looking for a new name so that people didn't think that I was still part of the Majestic, someone on here accused me of being a part of some clique and suggested that I be myself, so I decided to. I changed the name that shows up on my posts, however that doesn't change the main account name that the account started with. More recently, while attacking me, greekgod began continually calling me majesticmitchell and highlighting it. It seemed as if he thought it was a way to get to me, as if I were ashamed of what I had done there. Since that is the opposite of the truth and I am very proud of turning it from a long time boarded up vacant building into a first run movie palace, something that no one else involved with it has done, I decided that I should proudly use that name.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 20, 2014 9:56:00 GMT -6
There was an article by Derek in the paper about volunteering for the START teams:
I'm even more excited because there is a means for these people to share and participate with the City Council and turn good ideas into action.
If you are one of these people with answers on how Streator can improve, it's time to step up to the plate.
I appreciate that Derek is trying to get people motivated to participate, but hasn't there always been a way for people to participate with the City Council and have their ideas heard?
There are public forums twice a month where people can step up to the plate and tell the Council their ideas to improve Streator. Can't they ignore the ideas of these select teams just as well as they ignore the ideas of citizens at the public forums?
Years ago when they wanted volunteers for a sign ordinance committee, I was the first one to sign up and was very eager to participate, but was not selected. Another person who said they were very busy and would rather not be on it but would if needed was selected. Isn't a hand picked committee a way of controlling what will be accomplished?
Isn't it our City leaders that will decide who is on these START teams and what ideas they will go forward with?
I'm not trying to discourage others from participating, but realistically the City leaders are the only ones that will decide how Streator changes.
Part of the reason that I no longer participate in Neighborhood Watch is that I felt that their negative attitude towards me was not productive for the group. Being publicly declared an illegal resident undermined my authority to supervise community service workers, in my opinion.
I can't help but think that the trampling on the First Amendment, the public "illegal" declaration without due process, and the business requirement that is not supported by our laws are all related to who I am and my asking for the bar violence and other negative incidents to be cleaned up.
I would also worry about my participation now(in the slim chance that I would ever be "selected"), could also have negative impacts.
I think that having an open minded, business friendly, progressive thinking City Council is still what will provide the best chance of positive change for Streator.
I've already stepped up to the plate and will continue to talk about my ideas and ways to improve Streator, regardless of who they select for their teams.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 20, 2014 20:07:26 GMT -6
Hey Rocket, how about this one:
Ask The Times
Q: Is it legal to fire a gun in Ottawa? In Streator?
A: In Ottawa it is against ordinance to fire a gun within 300 yards of an inhabited building without the permission of every tenant and building owner within a 300-yard radius. No permission is required if a person fires a gun in self-defense. In Streator, ordinance says a gun cannot be fired; no reference is made to self-defense. In both cities, police are allowed to fire guns in the performance of duty.
If you fire a weapon in Streator to defend yourself or your family when you feel that your lives are in imminent danger, plan on facing charges.
I think that could end up being an interesting Constitutional court battle that could end up costing taxpayers a lot.
It seems like another case of Streator City leaders thinking that the Constitution just doesn't apply here.
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Post by mommytoo4 on May 20, 2014 20:57:52 GMT -6
Hey Rocket, how about this one: Ask The Times
Q: Is it legal to fire a gun in Ottawa? In Streator?
A: In Ottawa it is against ordinance to fire a gun within 300 yards of an inhabited building without the permission of every tenant and building owner within a 300-yard radius. No permission is required if a person fires a gun in self-defense. In Streator, ordinance says a gun cannot be fired; no reference is made to self-defense. In both cities, police are allowed to fire guns in the performance of duty.If you fire a weapon in Streator to defend yourself or your family when you feel that your lives are in imminent danger, plan on facing charges. I think that could end up being an interesting Constitutional court battle that could end up costing taxpayers a lot. It seems like another case of Streator City leaders thinking that the Constitution just doesn't apply here. You do understand that it is Lasalle County States Attorney is who decides whether charges are pressed in the case of self-defense. It doesn't matter if it is Streator or Ottawa or Peru. SPD may be able to arrest you, but if the SA doesn't press charges it will go no where. You have serious problems with putting the whole story out there, you pick bits and pieces of the bad parts of whatever the issue is to make Streator look worse then it really is.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 21, 2014 5:32:33 GMT -6
Was I the one that put just bits and pieces out there? I quoted what the newspaper printed and didn't leave out a part about the State's Attorney.
I agree that our State's Attorney's office should be smart enough to know what is unconstitutional.
However, I feel that the local laws are the tools that our City leaders give to our officers to get their job done. I think they are supplying defective tools.
If our officers make an arrest and the State's Attorneys office decides not to press charges because the law is unconstitutional, doesn't that set taxpayers up to pay for a wrongful arrest suit?
I also think that our City's Attorneys should also have been smart enough to know what is unconstitutional and should not have let our City leaders pass it. Maybe they owe taxpayers a refund on their fees.
Why would we even have laws that are not supported by our Constitution?
It seems like it is just part of their over restrictive laws and selective enforcement policy that I talk about.
They make the display of all merchandise outside illegal without a Special Use Permit and then decide which business owners to allow to participate in sidewalk sales and then which ones to fine for displaying merchandise outside.
Do they also plan to decide which citizens to charge for defending themselves?
Shouldn't we only have laws that are legal and can be evenly enforced on everyone?
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Post by father of two on May 21, 2014 6:02:56 GMT -6
Is it a state law that says citizens have the right to defend themselves with a gun or does state law give each community the right to determine for themselves? I'm not up on gun laws so I have no idea.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 21, 2014 6:31:20 GMT -6
I believe it is the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that gives us the right to defend ourselves. I couldn't find the part of the Constitution that says that the Streator Mayor gets to decide what subjects can be discussed in City Park, I doubt that there is a part that gives Streator officials the power to keep citizens from being able to defend themselves.
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Post by mommytoo4 on May 21, 2014 7:41:47 GMT -6
133.17 DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS PROHIBITED. It shall be unlawful for any person to fire or discharge or carry any air gun, pop gun or sling shot within the city.
The above is both Lasalle and Peru's code on discharge of a weapon, no where does it say unless you are defending yourself.
Now if our code specifically said no citizen shall discharge a firearm even in the event of self defense then I will listen to your logic, until then maybe you should go take a class in municipal codes and how to interpret them, instead of making up your own rules as you go along.
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Post by mommytoo4 on May 21, 2014 12:06:33 GMT -6
FOT here is Illinos state law regarding self-defense
(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1) Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person. (a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony. (b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
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Post by father of two on May 21, 2014 21:57:19 GMT -6
So if I understand this correctly the state allows it so there is no need for a local ordinance. The state law supersedes local law. But then again with concealed carry there are some problems in some places that aren't willing to enforce it?
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 21, 2014 23:17:42 GMT -6
133.17 DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS PROHIBITED. It shall be unlawful for any person to fire or discharge or carry any air gun, pop gun or sling shot within the city. The above is both Lasalle and Peru's code on discharge of a weapon, no where does it say unless you are defending yourself. Now if our code specifically said no citizen shall discharge a firearm even in the event of self defense then I will listen to your logic, until then maybe you should go take a class in municipal codes and how to interpret them, instead of making up your own rules as you go along. If you are trying to convince me that just because some other communities didn't write their laws to exclude self defense that it automatically makes it not be an offense here, then I don't want to take the municipal code interpretation class that you took. Isn't it a shame that people should have to take a class to be able to interpret the laws that Streator City leaders write? Too bad that they don't just write our laws without ignoring the citizens' civil rights so that they would know that they still exist here. I wonder why the newspaper worded it the way that they did and didn't explain your educated interpretation of the municipal code. Are they just trying to make Streator look bad or could it be their way of questioning if it is a improperly written, overly restrictive law? Either way, I do find it interesting after seeing their other overly restrictive laws being selectively enforced.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on May 21, 2014 23:22:47 GMT -6
So if I understand this correctly the state allows it so there is no need for a local ordinance. The state law supersedes local law. But then again with concealed carry there are some problems in some places that aren't willing to enforce it? Does state law allow it? I didn't see any state law posted that states that firing a weapon in City limits is allowed.
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Post by mommytoo4 on May 21, 2014 23:42:50 GMT -6
133.17 DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS PROHIBITED. It shall be unlawful for any person to fire or discharge or carry any air gun, pop gun or sling shot within the city. The above is both Lasalle and Peru's code on discharge of a weapon, no where does it say unless you are defending yourself. Now if our code specifically said no citizen shall discharge a firearm even in the event of self defense then I will listen to your logic, until then maybe you should go take a class in municipal codes and how to interpret them, instead of making up your own rules as you go along. If you are trying to convince me that just because some other communities didn't write their laws to exclude self defense that it automatically makes it not be an offense here, then I don't want to take the municipal code interpretation class that you took.Isn't it a shame that people should have to take a class to be able to interpret the laws that Streator City leaders write? Too bad that they don't just write our laws without ignoring the citizens' civil rights so that they would know that they still exist here. I wonder why the newspaper worded it the way that they did and didn't explain your educated interpretation of the municipal code. Are they just trying to make Streator look bad or could it be their way of questioning if it is a improperly written, overly restrictive law? Either way, I do find it interesting after seeing their other overly restrictive laws being selectively enforced. And where did you get that it was an offense here? Your big book of Kyle's interpretation of codes. As FOT stated, State law supercedes city codes, so it was unnecessary to include into the code. The code is written for people running around town shooting off a pistol at midnight on New Years Eve, or standing in the backyard shooting beer cans off of a fence. Once again you take what was intended and twist it worse then a bread tie to get the results you are looking for to scream out how badly your rights are being trampled on. I cannot for the life of me understand why you choose to stay in such a hostile environment that does not respect your views or opinions. I don't care if this town paved the streets in gold you would complain that it was done in 14ct rather then 18 and you weren't consulted. It must be horrible to have all the answers and be so ignored.
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