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Post by dog on Mar 5, 2014 11:38:47 GMT -6
I have seen the woodburners that are self contained and outside of the home. They seem to make some sense. The flame and the mess and the smoke is all outside of your house. I am sure it is not quite the same as having a nice warm fire inside, but there are tradeoffs in most things. I was just wondering, most woodburners are used to generate HEAT. Couldn't they also be used to generate steam for a boiler or to run a generator to make electricity. Wouldn't that come at no loss to the heat generated? It would be a double bubble.....generate the heat you want, but also generate some electricity to either use or sell back on the grid? Just curious.....anyone a bit wiser than me on this one with some good answers? Check out the EPA and woodburners. |
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Post by super on Mar 5, 2014 16:59:17 GMT -6
Actually you're better off with a high temperature clean burn. Smoke seen going out the chimney is a sign of heat going out the chimney. My wood burning fireplace puts out very little smoke once up to temperature. Most modern wood burning stoves have a cell near the breach to complete the combustion process thus reducing particulates and aiding in reducing soot in the chimney. No problem getting a 8 hour clean burn with a load of wood.  |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Mar 5, 2014 17:22:50 GMT -6
Super is mostly right, but the new EPA regulations threaten even the clean burn models. I am not giving mine up, in fact, I am now looking for a catalytic model to replace my fireplace in the house as well. MM, the outside boilers are either low pressure or no pressure boiler systems, they do not produce steam, rather hot water. Steam boilers are not inherently dangerous, but do require certification and licensing as well as fairly rigorous maintenance to operate. I don't see anytime soon home based units being available. Now a small Nuke reactor in one of the intrinsically safe models........... |
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Post by super on Mar 5, 2014 17:26:58 GMT -6
Indoor wood boilers work fine, but the pellet boilers are wonderful in terms of clean combustion, low maintenance, and low cost of operation. I've seen some German pellet boilers that are incredible, but be ready to pay the piper!
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Mar 5, 2014 20:04:36 GMT -6
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Post by super on Mar 5, 2014 20:26:21 GMT -6
I just thought it would be cool if you could produce electricity along with the heat simultaneously. You still use the heat from the fire conventionally and capture the heat for turning a generator......Win/Win. Perhaps it is good theory, but not practical. You won't have enough waste heat to run a turbine young man, but your thought was good lol Me guesses you're thinking of co-generation in commercial buildings. |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Mar 5, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -6
MM, they probably did, I know of at least 1 building in town that had a big old boiler, they aren't in use anymore die to cost of operation and the insane operational requirements. I seem to recall a law that requires a certified operator be present at all times when the boiler is in operation.
It is getting crazy even with pressure vessels ( air tanks ) remaining in compliance.
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Post by Me on Mar 13, 2014 15:34:21 GMT -6
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Post by super on Mar 13, 2014 17:01:18 GMT -6
Those are very cool...you can build zones and heat your mansion with that. You can also get multi-fuel systems that run on gas, wood, and coal. Nothing I like more than manning the fire.  |
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Post by longarm on Mar 16, 2014 11:23:26 GMT -6
The burning of wood continues to the carbon footprint of the earth and is not environmentally friendly.
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Post by super on Mar 16, 2014 11:26:06 GMT -6
The burning of wood continues to the carbon footprint of the earth and is not environmentally friendly.  |
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Post by OutlawwithaSnipeSniper on Mar 16, 2014 12:19:13 GMT -6
Hmm, wood consumes CO2 to grow, and releases it during decomposition...... Sounds balanced to me. The only thing not balanced is the lack of taxes extracted currently when it burns. Pseudoscience can solve that problem.  |
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Post by super on Mar 16, 2014 15:39:20 GMT -6
wood is not a fossil fuel say like coal for instance, wood is renewable if the sun shines lol
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Post by greekgod on Mar 17, 2014 19:01:58 GMT -6
Hmm, wood consumes CO2 to grow, and releases it during decomposition...... Sounds balanced to me. The only thing not balanced is the lack of taxes extracted currently when it burns. Pseudoscience can solve that problem. Snipe, What do leaves release during the photosythetic process. Even freshman high school students should know it is Oxygen. Pseudoscience you say? Yep, lets cut down those trees, burn 'em up and save on the GOVERNMENT TAXES. Suck in that CO2. Sniper, how well is your bunker ventilated, you seem a bit light headed. g  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 19:50:26 GMT -6
Greeks right guys coal would be a much better alternative to cutting down your trees..
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