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Post by willy on Nov 16, 2014 11:33:43 GMT -6
A lot of people though Rick Barry played like a pansy, but he really wasn't. He did pretty good around the basket, rebounded pretty well and could go to the basket. If he wasn't how do people think he got so many free throws. He played in an era that had really good tough big men. Up at the stadium I saw Nate Thurmond hold Jerry Sloan from behind and Barry pummelling him. Nothinkg even was called and a few minutes later Sloan hammered someone and they threw him out. He left the stadium with everyone on their feet. Him and VanLier were the toughest guards to ever play together. I saw stormin Norman run a ref over under a basket and he said it was an accident. Baloney!.......That stadium would fill up with smoke, people all around you smoking cigs and cigars. You'd smell like you'd been in a pool room all day. And the parking lots weren't safe to leave the game early by yourself or you'd get rolled. You can have the good old days as far as that is concerned.....MM, I am lucky to have seen so many good players in person, those days have certainly went by fast.
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Post by willy on Nov 16, 2014 13:39:20 GMT -6
Pembrook Burrows was the other seven footer and I think he went on to become a sheriff somewhere. I never got to see him play. Here's one for you old timers. When UCLA was having their streak of championships, it started with Alcindor and ended with Walton. But who was the center in between the two. Completely different type plalyer but pretty effective.
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Post by father of two on Nov 16, 2014 18:25:23 GMT -6
Sven Nader?
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Post by willy on Nov 16, 2014 19:36:42 GMT -6
Very close FOT, but Nader was back-up to Walton. In fact when asked who the best college center he played against, Walton told everyone that Nader was the best and he played against him every night. The guy in question was more than adequate for the Bruins and had the first name of Steve. You can't miss now.
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Post by willy on Nov 16, 2014 19:39:58 GMT -6
Thanks MM, I would never have found that video and will be watching it tonight. Rex Morgan was a real player, a bit on the light side and as I recall he may not have played the best defense. But with two 7' ball players behind him he could make a lot of mistakes. But back then you had to be able to play defense in the pros.
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Post by willy on Nov 16, 2014 19:54:53 GMT -6
You guys watch the video and the answer is in it. His name is brought up once against the Aggies. You notice who the assistant coach is for the Bruins. Thanks again MM, that's the first time I've ever seen Rex play in college. He was kind of cocky in high school but a good kind of cocky that good ball players have. I hope FOT watches it and he'll get the answer.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 17, 2014 11:03:07 GMT -6
I recently watched an awesome documentary about a plucky little team that had an average Season. They had a 17-10 record and only 8-6 in a really tough ACC conference.(It was the year of Virginia and Ralph Sampson, Virginia only had 2 regular season losses and they both came to MJ and North Carolina) They had to WIN the conference tournament to even get into the NCAA tournament. It was uphill and against the wind the entire way. ACC Tournament Quarterfinals xxxxxxxxx 71, Wake Forest 70 Semifinals xxxxxxxxx 91, North Carolina 84 OT(Jordan, Perkins and Co.) Championship Game xxxxxxxxx 81, Virginia 78(Only 2 regular season losses, both to NC, Ralph Sampson team) These were all huge upsets just to secure a seed in the NCAA tournament. NCAA Tournament Mideast xxxxxxxxx 69, Pepperdine 67 2OT xxxxxxxxx 71, UNLV 70 xxxxxxxxx 75, Utah 56 xxxxxxxxx 63, Virginia 62(Sampson and Co. yet AGAIN) Final Four xxxxxxxxx 67, Georgia 60 xxxxxxxxx 54, Houston 52 (Ranked #1 and ended their 26 game winning streak)This was Houston at their finest, Phi Jamma Slamma, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde 'the glide' Drexler (one guy said he was playing so far above the rim it was as if they dropped him in out of the rafters)) 7 of the last 9 games they trailed in the last minute of play. Who was the team, and who was the Coach? Although they did not have to play them, I bet a Ewing Georgetown team was in this tournament as well. This may have been the finest group of talent ever in the tournament. Jimmy Valvano beat Phi Slamma Jamma (Houston) for the Championship. It went to North Carolina State.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 17, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -6
He is the only player to have led both the NBA and ABA in rebounding. And he was Dutch.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 17, 2014 11:19:09 GMT -6
The late Steve Patterson held down the center spot in 1970. The one year between Alcindor and Walton. Funny how like miinds work. I was going to try and post a Q about Pistol Pete. I saw Rick Mount on TV when he played w/ Purdue. Maravich in my mind, was the better player. Pete did not tear up the pros, though. He was playing on a bad NOLA team, I believe.
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Post by willy on Nov 17, 2014 13:06:21 GMT -6
You got it Dave, Steve Patterson is the player. You didn't know he was on the floor but he was more than adequate.
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Post by willy on Nov 17, 2014 13:13:41 GMT -6
You've got my mind wandering all over the place on this one MM. I remember Memphis State had problems and they had Larry Kenon and and a little chubby guard named Finch. I know Kenon went to the bulls and was a bust. I don't know if that's the team or not and I can't think of a 3rd player that made the pros. You find it Dave, cause I ain't going thru all that work today. Finch ended up coaching Memphis later in life.
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Post by willy on Nov 17, 2014 13:24:15 GMT -6
I can hear you laughing at my guess Dave. If I had any credibility, it's gone after this mess I just wrote.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 17, 2014 13:56:54 GMT -6
1982-83 also included a very good team that was not eligible for the tournament. They featured the number 8 pick in the NBA draft that led the Nation in scoring AND the guy that led the Nation in rebounding as well as a third NBA standout on the same team. What was the suspended team and the 3 future NBA players? Also that guy that led the Nation in scoring and Number 8 pick in the draft did not play in the NBA his first Season. An even HIGHER draft pick(#2) also did not play in the NBA that same season. Who was he and why didn't he play? The X-Man! At Wichita State, McDaniel was the first person to lead the nation in both rebounding and scoring in the same season. For his first two seasons at Wichita State, the Shockers were on NCAA probation. He was a teammate his freshman year of future NBA players Antoine Carr and Cliff Levingston. Good question MM! I really had to do some research to find this. No I'm not THAT smart. Amazing, just amazing team. They were kicked out of the torney for transgressions made by asst. coaches (plural) from things that happened in the 70's. Strange deal. I first thought it would be UNLV. But that came later.
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Post by willy on Nov 17, 2014 19:08:51 GMT -6
Gene Smithson is a pretty nice guy, just like most coaches that live for basketball. Hard to believe, but most violations happen because the assistants don't know all the rules. Bob Knight said it best when he said the ncaa should put together a book of things that schools can do. It would consisst of no more than a few pages.
I'm a Celtics fan, and when Len Bias over dosed, it hurt Boston for a long time, cause that draft choice is a plan for ten years. He would have been the 1st forwards that Boston would have had that could just jump over people and shoot the ball. Bird didn't retire til after the '92 season so that would have given them quite a chance to win more championships, along with McHale and Parish. I was just sick when that happened.
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Post by dumdave on Nov 18, 2014 11:22:12 GMT -6
All I can say is it really was a shock. Len Bias was going to be the next Bird or MJ. The death of JFK was a major event for anyone who lived then. IMHO Politically, the big "What if he had lived?" was Bobby's death. Gave the Prez eletion to Nixon.
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