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Post by chevypower on Sept 23, 2013 22:59:29 GMT -6
I think it will be very very expensive and it might take way to long to start receiving profits from this big project, maybe they will not go for it because it does not fall within budget? jmo
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 24, 2013 6:21:40 GMT -6
You are probably right CP. After a $138,000.00 fountain and payments on the band shell, they will probably say that we can't afford it. It would be a lot of money and would take time for profits, but it could be done in phases and would be an investment in information age jobs for our community. I am confident that it would bring much more measurable results than the amenities.
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Post by dog on Sept 24, 2013 6:56:50 GMT -6
dog could have looked to see if it was working in smaller communities before assuming that it wasn't. He was the one that provided the Chatanooga example, not me. I never assumed it wasnt working in smaller communities. I am not the one trying to sell the idea to our leaders, you are. I am trying to get you to change your approach a little so you could be more productive. If it is something YOU believe in, YOU have to go that extra mile. Present the idea, show how the idea worked in an apple to apple comparison with towns like Streator. As someone else suggested....talk to SACCI. They are into business and economic development. I am sure they dont have a 3 minute time limit on discussion to talk to them. I would also bet that SACCI talks to city officials on a more frequent basis, than just at council or committee meetings.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 24, 2013 7:53:26 GMT -6
Actually, I am not trying to sell it to the City leaders; I told them about it is all. I really don't think they'll buy anything from me, and I don't think that jobs are a high priority to most of them or that they will understand the benefits of it.
Are you a SACCI member? I find it strange that they do not publicly ask the city for more or have a wish list of infrastructure improvements. They did make a presentation at a meeting a while back about their economic development efforts and reported that retail spending was up in Streator? I didn't know, but that was good news; that means the City's revenue should be up as well.
I'm sure a group like SACCI doesn't need me to come tell them the benefits of a fiber optic network, or communities it has worked in.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
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Post by thealtonroute on Sept 24, 2013 10:23:42 GMT -6
What's that framed picture on the bench by Cathy's?
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Post by father of two on Sept 24, 2013 11:43:23 GMT -6
Maybe by talking to SACCI it would allow that group to ask their members if they are aware of I Fiber and if it would benefit their companies. This would be a way for you to get your message across and then passed on to the council. A different messenger may make a difference. The older members of the council most likely aren't as up to date with technology as the two younger members. These two will be able to explain it to their counterparts and show them the benefits of modernizing the city's approach. I wouldn't say they don't want new jobs here. I find that insulting that these men would be labeled as such by you. I sincerely hope you run for council.
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Post by Kyle Mitchell on Sept 24, 2013 12:08:49 GMT -6
I am not saying that they do not want jobs here, only that it is not a high priority to them. That is my opinion from the comments I've heard at meetings over the years. A club house, a band shell, a fountain and other amenities are all more of priorities to them.
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Post by father of two on Sept 24, 2013 12:24:20 GMT -6
So in your opinion until there are more livable wage jobs created then no other improvements should be made or should be of low priority?
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Post by hawk on Sept 24, 2013 13:46:05 GMT -6
I give you crap because 1. Unlike Paul Harvey you only give half of the story. It's not until you get called out that you start giving the other details and information (typically important information) about the subject at hand. 2. You make the council seem completely oblivious to everything, out of touch, and unapproachable. "A majority of the council is still the same and like I've said before, from my experience attending many meetings, I don't think they are very progressive thinking." Explain. Give your definition of progressive, and then follow that up with what is a feasible amount of time. Are they not progressive because they don't follow every suggestion that you give them? What makes you an expert on matters that you bring to them day in and day out that they should say how high when you say jump? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when giving tautologous statements? In your last entry you say "It was progressive that ultimately they did allow the grant to bring it to City buildings." What? You just said you don't think they are very progressive thinking. Your divergent opinions are really hurting your "experience". Maybe you should take a page from your own book and be a little more progressive. Plant the seed and walk away. 1. As it is, I post a lot of long posts; I can't provide every detail. I don't leave out important information on purpose. What important information did I leave out on fiber optics? dog could have looked to see if it was working in smaller communities before assuming that it wasn't. He was the one that provided the Chatanooga example, not me. 2. I don't think they are completely oblivious about everything, but I do think that some of them are out of touch on many things. I have actually been trying to get more people to approach them. Haven't you seen my posts giving meeting dates and times or City Hall's phone number and e mail address? I have been trying to get more people to be involved because I think there are too many that are just complacent to the problems because they feels so disenfranchised. In my opinion, progressive means looking to advance, creating growth and better conditions, and being accepting of new ideas and technologies. I do not feel that they have been very progressive over all because bringing the jobs that would be needed for growth has not seemed to be a high priority to them and they have not seemed to be accepting of new ideas. These are just my opinions though. I do give them credit for the few good things that I see them do. Sorry if you think it is divergent, but I see it as just being right and don't feel it is hurting my experience. Nothing makes me an expert and I never said I was, or that they had to jump at all. Obviously they don't have to follow the suggestions that I give them, I don't think they have yet. Is that because I've been too tautologous? When someone exposes himself in the middle of the street and I tell them, how many more do I have to watch do it without saying anything for it to ever end? BS is what that is. If they did something about the problems once in a while, I wouldn't have to keep going back to talk about the same things over and over again. Obviously they don't have to jump to my suggestions, so I get to the point of posting videos on line. There sure were right on top of the chicken issue with that special 8:30am meeting though weren't they? I don't think that planting a seed and walking away is a good idea; shouldn't you do what you can to promote its growth as well? 1. As it is, I post a lot of long posts; I can't provide every detail. I don't leave out important information on purpose. What important information did I leave out on fiber optics? dog could have looked to see if it was working in smaller communities before assuming that it wasn't. He was the one that provided the Chatanooga example, not me. You gave an incomplete example about Chanute Kansas and their broadband situation as a comparison to Streator. You conveniently left out how long it took them to make $600,000 until I questioned your example. Then you had to add how long it took and chime in with "the sooner started, the sooner that [revenue] could happen." How far do you think that $138,000 will go by doing that? 2. I don't think they are completely oblivious about everything, but I do think that some of them are out of touch on many things. I have actually been trying to get more people to approach them. Haven't you seen my posts giving meeting dates and times or City Hall's phone number and e mail address? I have been trying to get more people to be involved because I think there are too many that are just complacent to the problems because they feels so disenfranchised. probably because its always your problems and not their own. In my opinion, progressive means looking to advance, creating growth and better conditions, and being accepting of new ideas and technologies. I do not feel that they have been very progressive over all because bringing the jobs that would be needed for growth has not seemed to be a high priority to them and they have not seemed to be accepting of new ideas. These are just my opinions though. I do give them credit for the few good things that I see them do. Sorry if you think it is divergent, but I see it as just being right and don't feel it is hurting my experience. Your being divergent and hypocritical with your own statements. Its not what I think, it's what I know. You have it in print. Get your story straight. Once again your experience means nothing when it can't even support itself. Nothing makes me an expert and I never said I was, or that they had to jump at all. Obviously they don't have to follow the suggestions that I give them, I don't think they have yet. Is that because I've been too tautologous? Thats what I said, so yes. When someone exposes himself in the middle of the street and I tell them, how many more do I have to watch do it without saying anything for it to ever end? BS is what that is. If they did something about the problems once in a while, I wouldn't have to keep going back to talk about the same things over and over again. Obviously they don't have to jump to my suggestions, so I get to the point of posting videos on line. And that helps how? There sure were right on top of the chicken issue with that special 8:30am meeting though weren't they? I'll agree with that. I don't think that planting a seed and walking away is a good idea; shouldn't you do what you can to promote its growth as well? Over watering will drown the seed, and therefore will not grow to its full potential
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Post by hawk on Sept 24, 2013 14:00:41 GMT -6
I am not saying that they do not want jobs here, only that it is not a high priority to them. That is my opinion from the comments I've heard at meetings over the years. A club house, a band shell, a fountain and other amenities are all more of priorities to them. Have you ever thought that maybe these are all easily attainable items that improve the towns appearance? For too long the appearance of the town and the condition of the buildings have been over-looked, and now the town looks sad, dilapidated, and a shell of its own-self. The Council has started to make the right steps to improving those aspects. The giant leaps you want the council to take don't happen over night let alone a couple of months. What is the high priority items. Just because things are not discussed publicly doesn't mean its not high priority or not being discussed. Where are all these jobs that are coming into Illinois that we are missing out on?
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Post by chevypower on Sept 24, 2013 23:22:38 GMT -6
Hawk, very well put and you nailed it.
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